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Resistance does develop to all known compounds over time for organisms in many differing kingdoms, not just mosquitos. That is why the rational use of varying effective pesticides is better than only one. You select for differing genes and not merely a single one or group. Hence, judicious application of agents known to induce resistance must be made in such a fashion as to minimize development of said resistance. Freaking out over a specific agent as though it alone had such problems is not going to correct the problem. This seems to have been realized by the groups formerly known as "concerned". Apparently, for now, the deaths of 3000 kids per day trumps bald eagles - especially since these kids are post utero. But give it time, HB, it could be that global warming is related to DDT in some fashion. Just like the greenhouse effects of methane are linked to ruminants and cow farts (not to mention deer, elk, antelope, and archebacteria such as methanogens).
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This article outlines many of the pros and the cons of DDT. One of the cons is that mosquitos do build up a resistence to it. One of the pros however, is that it was used effectively to combat malaria. (Though if the resistence is widespread, its efficacy would lessen. I think the effect of various insecticides on mosquitos over time should be studied more.) I agree with Inked that a wider variety of insecticides should be used to help reduce malaria-carrying mosquito populations. However, we should test these insecticides intensively, so that we're not introducing another health hazard that's just as bad as malaria. Just for fun, here's a list of reasons to like DDT.
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Nurv...I actually am surprised. I thought I was going to be crucified by you
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Am I too mean to you Hector? *hugs* *gives cookies*
![]() ![]() I oppose the use of DDT generally, unless it's the only available option to halt the spread of malaria. However, since it does cause environmental problems, it should be a hold-over until a less harmful but equally effective solution can be found. That's my opinion in a peregrine falcon shell.
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Are Oregonians in favor of DDT in their cookies, too? What is the world coming to? First Rachel Carson, then the Sierra Club and now Nurv!
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The "oregano" was a too-subtle nod at pot cookies.
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I happened to cross by this article today, and thought of this debate. Might be an interesting read.
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Very interesting Eärniel!
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In sum: it is dangerous, and it wasn't a fake scare. ![]()
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DDT is indeed a poison that gets more concentrated the higher up it gets in the food-chain. Such accumulations can never be good, no matter the potency of the poison itself. So of course we should avoid using DDT, but should we avoid it at all costs? There are better alternatives to DDT but however, these alternative pesticides are also more expensive! Poverty is a factor one has to take into consideration. Poor, malaria-ridden countries might not be able to afford other pesticides than DDT. And if there's a global ban of DDT, the people seem doomed to cope with malaria infections. So unless better pesticides get cheaper/subsidized and unless malaria treatment also gets cheaper and more efficient - it won't be morally acceptable to force a prohibition of DDT in these places. The DDT problem can be attacked from many angles. But that's easier said than done. For instance: - We can have a total ban on DDT. - The rich countries can pay the bill for the third world's use of better, more expensive pesticides. - We can invent cheap, good pesticides. - We can get better at malaria treatment. - We can fight poverty. Perhaps the best thing is to do a bit of everything.
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