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He was stupid to engage in this activity. He was even more stupid to deny it. But now hes admitted to his crimes. And hes saying all the right things to make amends for his behavior. Is he genuine? Time will only tell but so far so good I think. In his last press conference he basically stated he honestly didn’t think it was a big deal. But he has since learned to many people it’s a huge deal. And how wrong he was for engaging in it. And how desperate he is to make amends for it and better the world because of his mistake. He particularly focused on how much he had failed the youth who saw him as a hero and wanted to emulate him. And that he ultimately wants to use his own tragedy in this to educate these same youth about dog fighting and how its most definitely NOT cool. And that’s a good thing if he means it. So lets hope he does. I think that would actually be more beneficial then him rotting in jail for years. Kids tend to look up to athletes even if they go to jail (sometimes especially if they do…). So our only chance is to have these same athletes “see the light” and pass this light on to those kids who might otherwise engage in vile behavior themselves. So lets keep a close eye on him… And see if he continue into the Amazing Grace realm of life changing opportunity or if he just goes through the motions and doesn’t seem to get it despite everything that’s happened…
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I was being a bit facetious before (you probably noticed ), but I still think he does deserve whatever's coming to him.
I can sympathise that he has made a very poor decision. I can also sympathise that in some areas, dog fighting is sort of accepted. I also sympathise that he has been taught that dog fighting is a sport, and is okay. However, he chose to participate in this activity. I see no problem with the fact that he now faces the consequences of his actions. While a regular Joe wouldn't have been publicly vilified like Michael Vick has, I don't think Vick is getting anything more than he or any dog fighter deserves. The only thing I see wrong with this situation is that every single dog fighter (especially the three guys that were in on the operation with Vick) aren't getting the same treatment. Edited because I missed The Gaffer's post: Quote:
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But it seems more likely that there is a class/race issue here that's driving the media rather than some sudden concern for animal welfare. |
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09-20-2007, 03:41 AM | #26 |
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What possible justification could there be for banning noodling?? (We call it tickling)
The ban on fox hunting is routinely ignored here, and the cops do nothing about it. Sis, you think this is just about animal welfare / gambling? |
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But it's also about the growing danger of dog-bites, and it's also about the discomfort people feel with having a Black man have lots of money. We love to see anyone with wealth and fame brought low. There's no other reason for TMZ.com. We want to be reassured that people on the covers of magazines barf frequently and have miserable marriages. But there's an additional element of malice when we see people of color doing something "low class." It just "proves" (to the people who crave such proof, who are short on evidence) that our racist society has a basis in "justice." I just thought it was funny you brought it up. See, our STORY is, that there's no racial identity or class distinction in this country. Anyone can grow up to be president. Or a sports star. But the subtext is "and look what happens when they do."
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I think that's a ridiculous assertion. Yes there is still racism, but not like that.
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Of course, I don't KNOW (I had never heard of the man until I read this thread), I just supposed, on the basis that humans are humans the world over, and 99% of journalists are pondlife. But hey, OJ is back in the news so we can forget about Vick Or should we open a book on what they drag up about Barack Obama? Last edited by The Gaffer : 09-20-2007 at 12:46 PM. |
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Hence it behoves us all to be on the lookout for this.
Great Daily Show tonight: relentless montage of journos saying "why are people so obsessed with OJ?" while they follow his car in a helicopter as he drives to the airport. The answer? Hillary's got a new health care policy. They should all be tied up and shot with a blunderbuss loaded with their own excrement. |
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Hector, we often have a hypocrisy of conscience between what weve been programmed by society/environment and what logic, intellect and common sense tells us. Never think yourself immune from that dichotomy. Just be ever vigilant. And try to notice the phenomenon as often as you can. For it operates most sinisterly by hiding itself behind our conscious awareness of every day circumstances. Otherwise most of us would balk at the obvious conflict and be plagued by self doubt. And the mind defends against that outcome by nature.
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Sounds more like double-jinxing yourself, Rex.
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If you grow up in a generally white, christian, upper class society, you will inherently trust people according to how many of those social aspects they share with you. You are much more likely to give the benefit of the doubt to a rich, white, christian than a poor, black, muslim, even if the situation is identical. Just as you are much more likely to believe a friend innocent than a stranger. This is not to say that any one group should not be held responsible for their actions, but few situations are black and white where guilt is concerned and one has to realize that their own experience colors the way they perceive each and every situation. That's why we try to give the convicted a jury of their peers. Peers meaning those who are from the same general social group as the accused, more or less.
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So you guys want it both ways! Michael Vick is evil for dog torture, but at the same time people are racist towards him? My stance was a little more fleshed out, I think.
BJ- I'm sure you would also accept the idea that African-Americans are ingrained with a deep sense of victimhood, then?
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Would that be your "fleshed out" stance then? |
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Many blacks think they are victims of their past, but so do many whites.
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