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Good for them too. They should have married right at the beginning. I think it's brilliant that they're finally marrying. Oh, and Charles isn't a remarrying divorcee. He's a widower. ![]() |
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![]() I guess I care a very small amount. I hope they're all happy anyway. ![]() Okay I'm back to not caring now. I mean... it is their business. ![]()
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Though I've never met them so can't really comment. ![]() But think of how it boosts the republican cause here. We don't get to vote on 'em, so why should they care what we think about their titles? She should be called Camilla Queen of Hearts. Then we'd have a revolution in no time and we can finally grow up and get a proper system of government. With Princess Di on all the coins, of course. |
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I don't particularly admire either one of them, based on their callous and repeated unfaithfulness to their spouses.
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In their defence, I think you have to take into account the fact that they come from a culture (the aristocracy) where marriage is traditionally undertaken for utilitarian material or social purposes, and where it has always been the custom of men in particular to have mistresses. Their values are not ours.
Having said that, they remain hypocrites and parasites IMO. I liked the Daily Star headline the best: "Boring old gits to wed" |
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I don't know about callous... I think there's probably more to it than gets reported in the newspapers.
(...even the Daily Star. Diana fans, are they? ![]()
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Assuming the reports are true: Charles and Camilla were carrying on an affair before Charles married Diana and while Camilla was married. The affair might have slowed down/stopped during the courtship of Charles and Diana, but I doubt it. And here's the biggie - there seems to have been NO INTENT on the part of Charles and Camilla to stop the affair, even after the wedding of Charles and Diana. To me, that's HUGE. Obviously, I think Diana's affairs were wrong, but I think they are FAR more excusable than Charles', as he didn't intend to give up Camilla even after he married, and Diana's were more in reaction to Charles' failing to keep his marriage vows right from the get-go, while Diana kept her vows for years.
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For sure. Do you think, though, that a centuries-long tradition of hypocrisy, combined with the number one cultural necessity of providing suitable heirs (i.e. not getting married was not an option), would make it less of an evil?
I remember a commentator at the time they got married marvelling at how Diana was a "perfect physical specimen". Beefing up the gene pool has always been a factor for the royals. |
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Yes, I think the tradition part makes it less of an evil, tho still more than Diana's. It seems that Diana was unaware of Charles' intent to carry on the affair. I think at least he could have told her that. I'm sure SOMEONE would have married him eventually if that made her turn him down! And if not, so what? So pick the next person in line! Heck, I even have a valid claim for the throne!
Ah, how well I remember my marriage vows *sentimenal sigh* - "to love, honor, and beef up the gene pool" ... ![]()
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you know, if charles hadn't gone off on the HMS Minerva, he probably would have married camilla about ten years before he even met diana
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Life is funny (not humorous-funny, but odd-unusual-funny) (altho it's humorous funny, too!) ... I think it would have been better for c & c to marry, but IMHO that doesn't excuse his behavior - nor Diana's.
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camilla would have been 'eminently more suitable' as the wife to the royal heir is the phrasing 'they' (the establishment) use, IIRC, and to be fair to charles, at least he only had an affair with one person, whereas Diana had quite a few, I take issue with those that try to paint her as some kind of saint just because she's dead, sure she did immeasurable good, for AIDs victims, and War ravaged countries, and all her charity work etc, but privately she was just as bad as any other public figure, if not worse, although I quite like James Hewitt, and think he is quite funny, for one of those types.
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I don't think she was a saint. I think she really needed some good, solid counseling and didn't get it until too late, if at all.
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My opinion is that Charles and Camilla should have married in the first place, and that a great deal of harm has been done because they did not. I believe also she would have been most suitable, both for Charles (which appears proven) and as a royal wife (which we now may see). I understand that there was some objection to Camilla in the first place because advisers saw her as a little tarnished - she had had a boyfriend before. I don't know if that's the reason why they didn't marry - anyone know? Thanks for the reply, Rian ![]() Last edited by Hemel : 02-15-2005 at 06:31 AM. Reason: misplaced apostrophe - I gave Charlie only one wit! :-D |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Having said that, then, if I follow my argument through, Charles and Camilla, who clearly have a physical relationship, are doing the right thing by getting married (albeit civil-with-blessing). It's interesting that difficulties over constitutional problems would have seemed almost to have suggested the opposite! |
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