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I just saw it today (an Iraqi bootleg copy), and I must say, that it feels like a slap in the face. Mr. Moore might as well go to Arlington and spit on everyone's graves. The entire "documentary" was more akin to a perverted, disgusting "This is Spinal Tap", without the band and kick ass rock and roll. Oh, and I am also glad that he decided to play on the pains that people who lost sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters down here to insult the president. On the other side, he is probably a hero to the insurgent muslims that keep killing American soldiers, so he will be able to make another stab at us again in about five years.
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I'm sorry you feel that way, Beor. I don't know whether this helps, but when I watched the film I came away with the thoughts that MM had respected immensely the troops who went over to Iraq. I found the ending of the film very moving.
If anything I felt that actually MM was standing up for people enlisted, and asking some pertinent and necessary questions on their behalf. I never felt they were disrespected. I don't want to intrude. But I hope this helps. ![]() |
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Well, Hemel, I am glad you got that from it, and I hope that is the message that gets to more people.
However, to me it came off as him exploiting service members when they arent expecting it to make a point that they probably werent trying to make. The editing was obviously done, as JD said, to portray a solid extreme left view. Not only that, but I thought that it made the military look like a bunch of clowns. The way that he showed the civilian casualitys made it seem like we were targeting them, and he apparantly refused to show any of the people that were happy about it, which seems to be the majority of the Iraqis. he didnt show you any pictures of Iraqis waving and rejoicing when 3rd ID rolled through, but he did manage to show some Iraqi woman screaming to God and denouncing the military and the US. Now, I suppose I cant blame her, but if you are going to show something, you need to show all sides. Michael Moore wasnt trying to show the truth, he was trying to promote controversy, controversy that we really dont need right now, the county is divided enough, and we are at war, whether or not they say we are. I think the film was extremely inapproiate, and it did offend me pretty bad. But, if you came off with a good feeling about the military, then good, maybe I am wrong.
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I like what Moore did, of course he has manipulated the media to his advantage and yes it is one sided. You need to take into consideration that this movie is NOT about truth, its a piece of propaganda to screw up Bush's campaign. And I applaud Moore for creating it, and some of the things shown in the movie are true, some of it is stretched. I think Moore is a very smart guy because his movie has made people question or reanalyze the Bush administration. Of course, many people won't believe everything shown in the film, parts of it are one sided or inaccurate... however he is making people think.... which is very good IMO. I'm sure Beor that there are alot of people who hate this movie as well, especially if you support Bush or the war. However, Moore is raising questions that need to be answered, and all I can say is deal with it, he can't please everybody.
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Well, I really dont have much of a choice but to deal with it, now do I? Point is that I am not asking anyone to believe in the war, but it is pretty *****y to exploit soldiers. You dont have to support the war to support the troops.
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I was hoping to get your opinion on this movie, Beor - I'm glad you saw it, but sorry for the "slap in the face"
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i probably won't get around to seeing it till it comes out on video... but one positive i've noticed, is that, pro or con, it has people talking about sensitive issues that many were afraid to touch not that long ago... a good thing in the long run
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If you are going by "you shouldn't believe everything moore says," then you shouldn't believe everything that site says.
I find it funny that many immediately believe everything about the articles that try to disclaim the facts in the movie. If you really want both sides, I suggest going to www.michaelmoore.com , where every single one of those articles trying to disprove the facts is refuted. The facts in that movie are correct - it is UP TO YOU whether you want to believe michael moore's interpretation OF THOSE FACTS and if all the connections he made USING THE FACTS are true. That article you quoted has many errors in it. For example, the first few Bin Laden family planes left before air traffic had resumed. It was approved by the white house first. Why would it have to be approved by the White House if flying had already been resumed?
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I saw this movie last night, and hate to say that I was disappointed. I had high hopes for this film, and felt that Moore could have produced something that was far more effective if he had presented his information simply, and without the silly pop culture references. Certain scenes were drawn out far too long, and serious issues like the Patriot Act weren't given enough time. On the other hand, making it entertaining undoubtedly has impacted the size of the viewing audience. A more straightforward exposition of the information would possibly have turned people off as 'too dry.'
Nevertheless, I don't feel our current situation is a laughing matter. I hope every person of voting age sees this movie, and hope parents take their children, as well. This brings me to the R rating it received which I honestly don't understand. Politics and influence, I suspect, affected that decision. ![]() Last edited by Hasty Ent : 07-12-2004 at 01:19 AM. |
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Totally agree with you. I've been holding off this thread till I've seen the film, but the mainstream media coverage has been not much better than wall-to-wall propaganda. It's about time someone put the alternative view across in an accessible way.
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