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Gaffer, I see you're about to become an Elf Lord (499 Posts) - way to go!
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![]() There is going to be true democracy - not like the pseudo democracy in iran where the hardliners rule with an iron fist and prevent anything they disagree with from going through. They need a Constitution and so forth and chances are - it will be sumilar to Afganistans.
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Oh and I'm not paranoid - just my long standing experience with what people have written in other threads. Gives me more of an insight into how they feel about things. (He may not want us to fail - that might have been a bit unfair - but based on previous comments - it's not much of a stretch to think that him as well as others would like us to fall flat on our faces.)
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But I agree - there is nothing wrong with an islamic government - but I also know by what he means by Islamic government - and that is one that is contrary to the US Government's goals of freedom and peace. He wants to see if the US would allow a government to be democratically elected that is against the US and is spreading hate.
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Yep. I'm with you all the way. But the answer is still not the one the Gaffer wants to hear. I'm betting (seem to be really into gambling tonight) that the US would actually let the Iraqi people elect a government that was not pro-US (even anti-US) so long as it was democratically elected. And that is the real difference between the US and its detractors - good or bad, greedy or generous, Bush or Clinton, the US fulfills the lines attibuted to Voltaire:
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The biggest strategic failure of Vietnam was our own leadership's willingness to fight a war of attrition versus one of conquest. This lead to the attrocities (Mi Lai, napalmed children, the collection of ears as bounty). They thought that ruthlessness would gave subjegation but we just taught them to be ruthless as well.
The bit about Nixon is slightly off. He got in more trouble about the war precisely becuse he did promise to end it and then got caught expanding it. Like the quote earlier, it is easier for a politician to start a war than to overcome being caught lying.
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