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We are told he is the Master – within his territory. Yet, he allowed the Dunedain of Cardolan to be slaughtered on HIS territory. He allowed the wights to haunt the Barrows for 1,5 thousand years, though one song would have been enough to send them away. He let Old Man Willow be. He didn’t mind the Witch-King visiting the Barrow-wights for several days right before the arrival of the hobbits and enspelling all the evil things in Bombadil’s Old forest into awareness. Yes, he helped the hobbits out, because he felt like it. Maybe he thought them cute, maybe just out of boredom. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he similarly helped a nazgul, in the unlikely event if the latter were caught by the Old Man Willow. It is not impossible that the WK even dropped by Tom to have a few drinks and to recall the old Cardolan wars… Not so Gildor, an Elf of the House of Finarfin, who never served the Darkness. He is on the “good guys” side and acts for their benefit. Only he does so very little… Quote:
Butterbur did help (while Harry the gatekeeper and Bill Ferny didn’t). Maggot did, despite being promised much gold by Khamul. Glorfindel and Aragorn did. Gimli did, and Legolas, and Boromir, and Faramir. Quote:
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I agree.
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04-13-2008, 05:14 PM | #65 |
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I have my own feelings about Bombadil. I think his goofiness was based on the joy he possessed in knowing how everything turns out, and so knowing, feared not for the Hobbits. He knew what they would need and when, and that they'd be all right once they left him and the tests they would go through would serve them well.
<speculation>He didn't travel a half-day's pony ride in five seconds when Frodo started singing in the barrow...he was already on his way, riding Fatty Lumpkin.</speculation> Of course, this is just "irrelevant fanfic".
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But: that doesn't explain his inaction during the war of 1409. It did turn ill for the Dunedain of Cardolan - very ill indeed. |
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Good point. Then again, maybe they were bad neighbors.
Plus, he did have his Goldberry to keep satisfied. A guy's gotta have priorities. (I admit I had a crush on Goldberry when I first read LotR.)
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I certainly don't understand why you think he did them a bad turn?
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I would think from a more classical-romantic viewpoint:
First, both story internal and external, the hobbits needed to build up their characters and gain courage. They needed a gradual going into danger, as Gandalf said (go into danger, but not straight etc.). Gildor might have actually had this in mind. Second, the elves were fading. some of them, although still in ME, were already half in the west. The going westward was not only physical, it was a process: not only when the elf boarded on the ship he was gone, already before that he began to fade. As is demonstrated in many parts of LOTR: "Already she appeared to him... present, and yet remote". I think Gildor was already half in the west in his heart, and that he was not only half-interested in ME, but I think half powerless.
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He didn't know about this ring, or exactly where frodo was headed. But he perceived the danger, and helped frodo decide on the right course for himself.
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We could vote on this you know. Decide democratically whether he was guilty of breaking "the good samaritan law" or not.
All in favor of Gildor say I (eye? ai? aie? aye?)
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To me it seems that Tom simply took no sides in this war among Men. He felt sadness for the slain, but remained neutral. And re: poll. Why are there no polls here? They are fun! Perhaps we could make a subforum for polls? (I would vote for the wannabe President who offers us polls) Anyway: I vote Gildor gilty. |
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04-18-2008, 04:28 PM | #74 |
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Gordis has returned!
Even if she is still picking on Gildor. Who I have now quoted in my siggy, just to annoy people. I, of course, vote Gildor not guilty. I just read that part again a few days ago, and I don't think Gildor was guilty of anything. He gave his advice, sent on a letter, and gave them food, drink, and lodging for the night. As I said before, that was no less than Tom did, and nobody says anything against him, although his power is likely equal (or greater) to that of Gildor.
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*Turns them on* *reads* Well, that is about the only clever thing that Gildor had told them. *Turns siggies off* |
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04-18-2008, 05:41 PM | #76 |
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You can turn siggies off? I didn't even know you could do that.
And that is, btw, one of my very favorite quotes from LOTR. PERIOD.
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Yes, in "user CP" in "options" you can uncheck "show signatures". I did it ages ago...
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Ah, but I like mine.
Anyway, back on topic: Gildor is innocent.
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A Nazgúl saying an Elf is evil? Something is very wrong here.
I wish we did have polls, I'd like to see.
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