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03-15-2008, 02:54 PM | #1 |
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Homeschooling is banned in California
An Appelate Court declared homeschooling illegal throughout California. The decision is being strongly contested. We'll just have to see what the legislative battle results in.
I hope that some of you will sign this petition to keep homeschooling legal. I was homeschooled in California, and I have two brothers here currently being homeschooled. Please pray for the homeschoolers, if you pray, and either way, sign the petition opposing this law that is on the front page of this site.
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03-15-2008, 04:48 PM | #2 | ||
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You'd think that a state that's pondering cutting $400 million from its education budget would actively encourage homeschooling. They could really use an increase in parents taking the direct costs of educating their children upon themselves.
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03-16-2008, 06:10 AM | #3 |
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From what I've read, homeschooling IS still legal, but the parents teaching must have a teacher's certificate of some sort. I'm wondering, is that such a bad thing really? I would want parents teaching the kids themselves to know at least how to do it. Or is there something else that I'm missing?
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03-16-2008, 10:03 AM | #4 |
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My mom didn't have a certificate. She went to Berkeley for five years.
Seriously, if the public school system can't educate people enough so that they can educate their own kids....really. This is a good place to post this again: http://www.familyhack.com/2007/11/09/homeschooler-rant/
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03-16-2008, 10:43 AM | #6 |
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How come the public schools aren't good enough then?
Not meant as criticizing people who homeschool, but I just don't understand the whole system.
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03-16-2008, 02:46 PM | #7 |
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Well, that something else, I suppose. I take it there is no grace period implemented for the parents to get this certificate, then?
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03-16-2008, 03:02 PM | #8 |
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As a future wanna-be teacher myself, and a former home schooler, I have some very personal feelings rooted in this matter.
I don't think home schooling should be illegal, but at the same time I do think that home schoolers should have to take some form of standardized testing. I don't think that's such a horrible thing since most of them pass the things -anyways- with flying colors... but I think it would help cut down on some of the people who just take the kids out of school to 'home school' because it's more convenient... and the kids don't really learn anything. On the other hand, I think a lot of our standardized testing is pretty messed up. I honestly don't think home schooling should be the target of ANYTHING right now, I think we need to reform the school system itself. But that's a whole 'nutha topic . |
03-16-2008, 03:08 PM | #9 |
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It's hard to get a certificate, Earniel. It's a big expense in both time and money. It also is unnecessary. Statistics show that homeschoolers tend to get a better education than people in public school, in the US. Not always, but generally. Almost all homeschooling families lack the teaching certificate, though.
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03-16-2008, 05:43 PM | #10 | ||
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So while homeschooling isn't banned, they're trying to bury everyone in red tape so it's too much hassle to undertake?
My original post still stands I think: a government pondering a $400 million cut to the education budget should be encouraging homeschooling. It's not like the public education system will lose funding - most people don't homeschool, and the parents of homeschooled kids still pay taxes. Maybe the required certificate is an attempt to generate revenue? Also, what is an Appelate Court?
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03-16-2008, 08:06 PM | #11 |
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Homeschooling Is Not Illegal In California!!!!!!
And don't sign the petition.
Honestly, Lief, if you want to represent the success of homeschooling, you should work on your reading comprehension and research skills, and not just mindlessly regurgitate the politically motivated misinformation of right-wing pressure groups. There was ONE judge's opinion in an appellate court that read the law a particular way. Besides the fact that every homeschooling group in the state has lawyers looking at this, the State Superintendent of Schools has made a statement on the issue. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...1,247360.story And here's some homeschoolers on the HSLDA, which chooses to make such pests of themselves. http://hsislegal.com/ Homeschooling is fine. Lots of people are homeschooling who have no business keeping a goldfish, imo, but since they're allowed to have children, they are darn well permitted to choose how they're educated. Lots of people are teaching and running schools who shouldn't be supervising goldfish, either, so the merit is at least even. And the people IN this particular case (as I am continually constrained to point out) are probably really BAD people, whose behavior towards their children ought to be of concern to every citizen, involved in homeschooling or not. It's no wonder the court was unimpressed (and they didn't even appear).
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03-16-2008, 08:28 PM | #12 |
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Sis, they put a serious damper on homeschooling in CA. That's bad enough.
If most homeschoolers pass standardized tests, there should be no problem. To get into college you have to pass the SAT or ACT, and I can assure you that homeschoolers can pass either. I think what annoys me is the fact that a few incompetent homeschoolers mess things up for all the competent ones. But it's a double-standard, because are there plenty more public-shoolers that don't learn anything! But they get away with it because it's a public school. Not fair at all. The public school systems knows not where it goes. It's a huge, slimy slug.
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03-16-2008, 09:41 PM | #13 | ||||
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If you mean that the law itself can't harm homeschoolers in California, you're wrong. Here's a quote from Arnold Schwarzenegger on this matter: "Every California child deserves a quality education, and parents should have the right to decide what's best for their children," said Schwarzenegger. "Parents should not be penalized for acting in the best interests of their children's education. This outrageous ruling must be overturned by the courts, and if the courts don't protect parents' rights, then as elected officials, we will." Is it your belief that our governor, and the lawyers who review his public statements before he makes them, were confused when they fashioned his statement that this law must be overturned, and that the ruling attacks parental rights? Here's another statement from the governor's office about what the new law does. "All children ages 6 to 18 must attend public or private school full-time until graduation from high school or be tutored at home by a credentialed teacher." Do you disagree with the governor's office about what the law means for homeschoolers? If so, on what grounds? Quote:
QUOTE=sisterandcousinandaunt;606432]There was ONE judge's opinion in an appellate court that read the law a particular way. Besides the fact that every homeschooling group in the state has lawyers looking at this, the State Superintendent of Schools has made a statement on the issue.[/quote] Yes, I said that this law is being strongly contested in my original post . Thanks for agreeing with me, though. The current State Superintendent's statement is very supportive for homeschoolers. It does not eliminate the threat posed by this law, however. It would be wrong to allow ourselves to think that we need to do nothing, simply because we have legal defenders and people involved in the education system who are clashing with this thing. You may consider HSLDA "pesky," but for my family and thousands of others in California, it is a crucial legal defense protecting us against lawsuits. Quote:
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03-16-2008, 09:43 PM | #14 |
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I entirely agree with you, Nurv.
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03-16-2008, 09:47 PM | #15 | |
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Right now, no one compels homeschoolers, or anyone else, to take the SAT or ACT. And that's swell. Delaware just lost a week of instructional time taking state mandated testing, which homeschoolers, like other private schoolers, can ignore. I wouldn't thank HSLDA, or Tessar, or anyone else for making homeschoolers sit through THAT nonsense, which teachers in the school system universally loathe. You can't apply standardized testing without standardized curriculum. I absolutely guarantee that most people here couldn't pass a test I would give my acting students. You couldn't, because you haven't been taught the material. If I'm teaching a vocational school for future actors, they can pass the test. Why wouldn't THAT be on the 'standardized test?' Even in this state, we have students who will be actors, musicians, brick-layers and physicists. Do you want a test that evaluates everyone's proficiency in all those areas? The problem in this case is not that they're incompetent homeschoolers. The problem is, their kids hollered for help. Should the state be turned away from responding to that because they're 'homeschooled'? No.
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03-16-2008, 09:55 PM | #16 | |
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I'm glad people are looking at this. But if the family involved was Jewish, or secular, or almost anything else HSLDA would have zero interest in their 'rights' and they make that clear. I have more use for people who are honest about whose rights they're protecting. *hint* It's not "homeschoolers."
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sisterandcousinandaunt, I'm reposting here a part of my above post that wasn't there when you wrote your response.
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If you mean that the law itself can't harm homeschoolers in California, you're wrong. Here's a quote from Arnold Schwarzenegger on this matter: "Every California child deserves a quality education, and parents should have the right to decide what's best for their children," said Schwarzenegger. "Parents should not be penalized for acting in the best interests of their children's education. This outrageous ruling must be overturned by the courts, and if the courts don't protect parents' rights, then as elected officials, we will." Is it your belief that our governor, and the lawyers who review his public statements before he makes them, were confused when they fashioned his statement that this law must be overturned, and that the ruling attacks parental rights? Here's another statement from the governor's office about what the new law does. "All children ages 6 to 18 must attend public or private school full-time until graduation from high school or be tutored at home by a credentialed teacher." Do you disagree with the governor's office about what the law means for homeschoolers? If so, on what grounds? Quote:
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03-16-2008, 10:42 PM | #18 | ||
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I'll deal with HSLDA in another post.
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03-16-2008, 10:45 PM | #19 |
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I was gonna say that, you little thief
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03-16-2008, 10:52 PM | #20 |
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Wait a sec folks....I did find this recent bit:
http://www.scriptoriumdaily.com/2008...in-california/
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