12-29-2002, 03:33 AM | #1 |
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how powerful is Sauron?
Hi everyone, I'm a newbie to this forum and i love the Lord Of Rings movies, especially The Two Towers.What interests me is Saurons power and who can challenge him.In the movie, the characters said that they were scared of Sauron, Gandalf feared him, and that Saramon treats him as his lord when they are basically the same type of beings.
Is Sauron the most powerful of these beings?Or is there a reason whey he is so feared even by other maier?I do know that it took only two people to cut the ring from his hand, which also begs the question, was that some kind of ploy to let the ring decieve everyone and bring darkness to everyone,because it does seem pretty weak for the Dark Lord to fall otherwise this defeats the purpose of their being a Dark Lord that rules all. |
12-29-2002, 10:16 AM | #2 |
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umm. I know that Sauron is pretty damn powerful. He is probably the most powerful single being in Middle Earth. However, the collaboration of other powers allowed for his defeat. There are probably other maiar that are stronger than he, in the Undying Lands, but this was Middle Earth's ordeal, which is probably why they wouldn't help.
I'm not completely sure on any of this, but thats my two cents.
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12-29-2002, 10:26 AM | #3 |
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He was once a Maia, that is Gandalf's order, but he was the most powerful of them, and thus more poserful than Gandalf.
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1. He was the #1 servant of the evil Vala, Melkor (or Morgoth, as the Noldor named him). See The Silmarillion for details. Morgoth was finally bundled right out of the world by the other Valar, but his will remained and Sauron was its chief administrator. He had learned much during the days of his service to Melkor, and his knowledge and experience had deepened in the ages since Melkor's banishment; he had been in Middle-earth far longer than the Istari. 2. The age of Men was coming, the Wise knew, and unlike Elves, Men could be both evil and good: they had demonstrated this since the days of their awakening ages earlier. It was crucial that they be influenced positively in the first years of their dominance, or they would just smother the world in a second darkness. Sauron knew this, too, of course, and so actively sought out men -- by the time of the War of the Ring he had all the major armies of men under his control except those of Gondor and Rohan. PS: In the book, one person cuts off his finger and takes the Ring: Isildur, Elendil's son, as weregild for his father and brother (Anarion, who had been killed during the siege of Barad-Dur).
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From the Silmarillion: Houghton Mifflin edition: 1977: Valaquenta
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12-29-2002, 02:58 PM | #6 |
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Sauron was in an interesting position-the ring increased his power a great deal-and he knew that those who would take it from him and wield it would be destroyed, either because they'd be to weak to wield it (i.e Isildur at the Gladden fields) or because by the time one did wield it Sauron would destory them first (i.e if Gandalf claimed the ring some would oppose him-and Sauron would step in and retake it). He never considered someone destroying it-and that's how Gandalf got him. Sauron, much like his master was stronger then those who opposed them, but was blinded by his evil so he couldn't win. So in that sense he's less powerful than his enemies.
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12-29-2002, 04:35 PM | #7 |
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I don't think that Sauron cuoldn't win, he was very close to do it.
he was poewrful, more then the others , but he was the only thing that united his Arms. the people of Gondor would fight even without thier leader and the others too, but without Sauron his people don't do anithing. I'm sure I've done a lot of mistakes in english but I can't find them.
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12-30-2002, 10:38 AM | #10 |
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I should say his powers of domination. It allowed him to control others more effectively. After all Sauron's purpose is to build and to repair, not to control.
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Sauron was a Maia of AUle and as such his purpose at creation was to build. Even after the first age when he refused to to repent his orginal thought was to help rebuild middle earth-but he was far too corrupted to really repent. Arguably he might have really wanted to become Annatar in truth, but could not do so. He lacked the strength of will to repent.
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So, any Maia under a Vala was to perform or serve in the particular task that the Vala was assigned to by Eru?
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I'd say a Maia has inherant abilities. Sauron was of the people of Aule, just as Gandalf was of Irmo (I think). Their abilities corresponded to those of the Vala, and I assume they were created to aid the Valar in their labor.
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12-31-2002, 10:47 AM | #16 |
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I don't have my UT with me, but I think he was sent by Manwe-in the Sil it says he lived in Lorien.
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12-31-2002, 11:11 AM | #17 |
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Gandalf was a Maia under Manwe.
The Silmarillion doesn't say that the Maiar were created to aid the Valar, but it says that they were servants to the Valar. I guess that's kind of the same thing.
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Radagast was of yavanna (correct me if im wrong) so have love for birds and plants. As for gandalf he shows little use of the winds in lord of the rings but he is kingly and good at leading much like manwe himself
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I think he means that the desire to create and explore through the physical world (Aule's "thing" for lack of a better word at the moment) can be subverted into desire for domination over the physical.
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