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Sauron... the Elf!
I have in my possession an old, 1976 edition, pre-Silmarillion Tolkien guide called "The Tolkien Companion". Although charmingly written, the author has an unfortunately tendency to make unsupported assumptions and, I sometimes suspect, fabricate information entirely. I thought I'd share some of the more amusing mistakes with you.
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Many of these inaccuracies are partially understandable, even if they are gross misassumptions, not just misinterpretations. But this one really gets me: Quote:
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12-15-2002, 03:48 PM | #2 |
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I have also that book. Written by JEA Tyler, isn't it? Still I find it a good book, and a useful encyclopedia. But you've right! It's in there!
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12-15-2002, 04:21 PM | #3 |
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I believe that is, as my good friend ngolondil calls it, 'Day Crap'.
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12-15-2002, 05:06 PM | #4 |
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Hindsight is 20-20.
The errors are attributable to the fact that Tyler was writing before the publication of The Silmarillion. His later 'New Tolkien Companion' is much better and more accurate.
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12-15-2002, 08:25 PM | #5 |
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Foster is better.
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12-16-2002, 06:23 PM | #7 |
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Sauron, an elf???? LOL!!!
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12-16-2002, 07:54 PM | #8 |
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When Sauron appeared as Annatar in the Second Age, he was in fair form, but what was he?
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12-16-2002, 08:00 PM | #9 |
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I think even in that time he was taller than any Man or Elf could be. I seem to remember him posing as a Maia Incarnate, faithful to Aulë.
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12-21-2002, 11:46 AM | #10 |
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Sauron is not an Elf
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12-21-2002, 11:54 AM | #11 |
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Hey, how can you know he wasn't an Elf? Have you ever met him?
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12-23-2002, 01:13 AM | #12 |
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Oo! it's a scandal - who WERE Sauron's parents?
Lanelf.
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12-23-2002, 04:17 PM | #13 |
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LOL Lanelf, and that brings up the question, What is Sauron anyway?
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12-23-2002, 04:20 PM | #14 |
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A spoiled child.
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12-23-2002, 04:22 PM | #15 |
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LOL, can you imagine? *Waaa! I wanna orc to pway wif!! WAAA*
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12-27-2002, 07:04 AM | #16 |
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Sauron is a maia isn't he?
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12-27-2002, 09:00 AM | #17 |
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YESsSss Sauron is a Maia... which brings rise to another question... Aren't the Istari Maiar too? So, would Gandalf be on equal terms with Sauron?
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12-27-2002, 09:53 AM | #18 |
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The Istari are indeed Maiar too. But there are gradations. Gandalf can never be so powerful as Sauron, because of the gradations. Did you now Balrogs are Maiar too?
Argh! My English!
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12-27-2002, 02:31 PM | #19 |
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yes, I knew that, but I'm pretty sure there are people who don't
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12-28-2002, 05:43 AM | #20 |
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Sauron at least *was* a Maia, before he went evil. After that I think they don't call him that, but yes, he was one.
Yes, Gandalf's one too - he's meant to be the wisest of all Maiar, but Sauron might be the most powerful or something. Who knows... but Sauron definitely can't be the most intelligent! What sort of idiot makes a ring and binds their life force to it? Rule number I-forget-which: I will not create any weapon which can be used for my downfall. Love the Evil Overlord List! Lanelf.
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