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04-17-2008, 05:45 AM | #11 |
Elven Warrior
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Well, I understand very well, Earniel. I showed the post to my fiance as she's been reading it and she even told me that it wasn't a good idea at first. In my over-confidence given that the week had been going well, I decided to disobey and be a little preemptive (President Bush o.O).
I should most likely repeat what I wrote in a private message so that more light is brought to this issue so that this isn't so much of a problem. Ingwion was the direct heir and son of Ingwe. He led the host of the Vanyar to take Cirdan's southern of two havens, Eglarest, the Mouth of the Nenning, during the first battle of the War of Wrath (not to be mistaken with the First Battle of the First Age, or the First Battle for Beleriand). It is possible that for a while he stayed in Middle Earth, but this is purely hypothetical. If he had a son or sons or daughters, that's not known either. Given the confusion that the First Age produced, it's entirely possible that one or more of Ingwion's sons and/or daughters stayed behind, somehow being lost in battle when he led the host to take Morgoth down. The Vanyar, being utmost of loyalty to the Valar above all others as they were the first to come to Aman, would be unlikely to stay behind in this manner - that is, all things being equal. At the end of the First Age, nothing was equal anymore. The original intentions of the Valar were to create a peaceful world and share it with the spirits and life there. The marring of Arda debilitated that course of action. Orome wished to take the Elves away from the mortal lands. For the most part, that task failed. Most came there, some stayed behind, and of those who did go to Aman, some of them returned as well. Ingwion, son of Ingwe, was one of them, but only temporarily. All things being equal, any sons or daughters or wife he had would have went with him, but nothing was equal by this time. Most of the Noldor had been destroyed. The Teleri and Avari remained high in number but had still lost a great many themselves. For all we know, Ingwion himself may have been killed at the last battle, though this is highly unlikely. My character takes into account the following assumptions and character profile artifacts, not to be taken literally as fact in any way (all things not being equal): 1. Ingwion had a son(s) and/or daughter(s) much before the First Age (making Ingwionis very old indeed by the time of the third age). If this is not the case and Ingwion remained for a while and then had a wife and children, Ingwionis in his tale is lying about his age yet again. 2. According to the character profile, Ingwionis is half-Vanyarin, half-Telerin (not half-Noldorin as I had once mistakingly posted). So he's half-1st clan, half-3rd clan. This means that Ingwionis' mother was Telerin, perhaps a wife or daughter of Olwe or Elwe (most likely). 3. Ingwionis likely made up his own mind about where he wanted to be after he was presumably "lost" in battle sometime near the end of the War of Wrath. I will be reflecting that in my edited post. I would have to provide some reason as to why Ingwionis would want to stay while the rest of the Vanyar and most of the Noldor and half the Teleri wanted to go to Aman. That reason would have to involve having a family of his own by the end of the First Age, beginning of the Second; or perhaps comradery got the best of him and he decided to dwell in the lands that he helped to defend. 4. Ingwionis is an odd character - this would have to be true if he was half-Vanyar and not willing to go back to Aman. So he would be the literal black sheep of the house of Ingwe. 5. Ingwionis is the father of Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Starship Enterprise (this one's obviously just a joke because it's late and I have a really dumb sense of humor this time of day, yet I for some reason couldn't -not- say it). The part about a Balrog though...not happening. (Note to self: do not take pain medication for my stomach and then make a post of any kind while under its shroud of intoxication) There are possibly another two Balrogs left in Middle Earth that have not been dealt with since the end of the First Age. There were most likely originally three that survived. At least one was destroyed since then (Durin's Bane). It's hard to tell what would become of the others (if any are left) after Sauron was destroyed, but they seem to have a will of their own since when Morgoth was thrown into the void the Balrogs were still powerful and very much alive, but lay dormant most of the time. If Sauron had known better he'd have summoned them, but Sauron was probably not enough of a leadership figure in the eyes of the Balrogs for Sauron to rule them. They'd most likely end up in competition with Sauron, though I think after the War of Wrath, the Balrogs just seemed to want to take a long snooze and be left alone. Anyway, yup lol. Hopefully I know what to put in my edited post (and hopefully don't forget to look at this post too).
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