Theology III

[Lief Erikson]

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Lief, glad you and I agree on so many things Replace "truth" with "axiom", "belief" or whatever. As long as you get my point

Yes, I agree with it.

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Their perception of an issue is of course totally real and correct to them. But not everyone will agree. Thus one can argue whether anyone can ever claim they see an issue "as it really is".

Here you're shifting topics from whether anyone can actually know anything to whether or not someone can claim to actually know something. I still think people can know things, but I don't think they can know that they know those things . Lol.

I don't think we really can claim that we "know" the truth. For all I know, I might be in the Matrix, so I can't "know" that I know anything. But I can believe things based upon the available evidence. And one person's evidence supporting his belief can be stronger than another person's evidence. People can have beliefs about the truth, and those beliefs might be right, but they can't necessarily know that they know the truth. One belief can be more supportable than another, though.

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Well you're right about this one.
I think it's always a good thing if you try to understand different views and don't just think "I can't get how people can have these opinions!". Because often, you actually can if you think a little. For instance, I'm pro-abortion but I can see perfectly well why other people aren't. But Lief, you are correct that there are views that one simply cannot respect.

So we agree, here.

Originally Posted by Jonathan

That's when insults start pouring

Yup.