muslims PART 2

[The Gaffer]

Originally Posted by Spock

Und Islam was slaughtering people already in large numbers by the year 622...doesn't seem too far away from their behavior these days.

for the most part women are not property in a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. venue where they are in most muslim societies. Their culture doesn't recognize democracy and we are wrong to expect them to 'convert' to it. IMO

I think I agree with you on that last point. It's not realistic to expect entire cultures to "convert" in this way overnight. This fetishisation of democracy we hear from our political leaders is naive and unrealistic, IMO.

If we're talking about "slaughtering people in large numbers", I don't think it's either accurate or helpful to characterise Islam as being particularly violent compared with, say, our own cultures.

And yes, women's rights are a big negative for me. Again, though, we should not lose sight of how recently women have emerged from vassal status in the West. Nor should we forget that not all muslim cultures are the same.