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Old 06-16-2006, 05:03 PM   #11
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Below I put some additions to that list. Let me opinionate on most important first. Most important is to create a good survey and position the pieces in time. At the library, do some taste testing as follows:

Start with the pre-Renaissance and the Troubadors and find which of those you like. Read the liner notes, of course. For me this turned up several compilation albums of merit, like the David Munrow albums. Eventually I came to realize what Guilaume de Machaut had done for humanity when he wrote that huge (for it's day) Mass in counterpoint, of all things.

Then move to the full Rennaissance. It's possible to get lost there, so beware. At one end you have Dufay and Binchois. At the other you have Monteverdi. In the middle, there are a host of great forgotten composers. My personal favorite in the middle there is Josquin Des Prez.

Then we get on to the Baroque. It's easy to confuse the early Baroque like Heinrich Schutz with the late Baroque like Buxtehude and Bach. If you think of them as totally different times, you'd probably do better. Vivaldi, Scarlatti, Frescobaldi, they all come out of the Monteverdian idea of a composer who is both secular and sacred. Bach comes later. Bach is my favorite composer. 'Nuff said?

Then Classical. Well, Handel comes before Haydn and Mozart, and so it's not really fair to hold him up to them. In fact, he's kind of a contemporary of Bach so he was actually ahead of his time. Rossini is dated in the Romantic era, but musically he's classical.

So then, and only then, play Beethoven. See, if you do all that before you hear Beethoven, you might find your jaw on the floor when the symphony is over. Then note that Schubert was a contemporary living in another city who died yound, and in that light, you see, Schubert is kind of the last classical composer. And then when you proceed the the middle Romantic era...

Brahms, Schumann, Verdi, Berlioz, Tchaikofsky, Saint-Saens you have some way to compare.

The Late Romantic works take their cue from Wagner. Bruckner's later pieces, and Mahler's Symphonies were unabashedly influenced by Wagner.

Then comes post-Romanticism like Ravel, Debussy, Bartok, Stravinsky, etc.

By that point you'll probably be ready to argue with Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern. And you might find you disagree with me about the direction of music after that. Personally, I stick with Britten and Vaugh Williams and avoid any atonal pieces or minimalism. But to each his own.

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Originally Posted by Mercutio
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I will be going to college this fall, and will no longer have my dad's cds at my disposal. I have graduation gift money that I would like to spend on starting a classical collection for myself. However, I need to figure out what to buy--which pieces, composers, recordings, etc.

Here is a list from Classical Music for Dummies (don't laugh, it's an excellent book). Alphabetized by composer:

Adams: Short Ride in a Fast Machine
Adams: The Chairman Dances
Adamso: Harmonielehre
Bach: B-minor Mass
Bach: Brandenburg Concertos
Bach: Orchestral Suite no. 3
Bach: Goldberg Variations
Barber: Adagio for Strings
Barber: First and Second Essays
Barber: Knoxville, Summer of 1915
Barber: Medea’s Meditation and Dance of Vengeance
Barber: Overture to The School for Scandal
Barber: Symphony no. 1
Bartók: Concerto for Orchestra
Bartók: Divertimento for Strings
Bartók: Miraculous Mandarin Suite
Bartók: Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta
Bartók: Romanian Dances
Beethoven: Piano Concerto no. 5
Beethoven: Symphonies no. 3, 5, 7, & 9
Beethoven: Violin Concerto in D major
Berg: Violin Concerto
Berlioz: Roman Carnival Overture
Berlioz: Symphonie fantastique
Bernstein: Symphonic Dances from West Side Story
Bizet: Carmen Suites 1 & 2
Bloch: Concerto Grosso no. 1
Brahms: Symphonies no. 1, 2, 3, & 4
Britten: Young Person’s Guide to the Orchestra
Bruckner: Symphony no. 3 & 5
Copland: Appalachian Spring
Corigliano: Symphony no. 1
Debussy: La Mer
Debussy: Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun
Dvořák: Cello Concerto in B minor
Dvořák: Serenade for Strings in E major
Dvořák: Serenade in E-flat major
Dvořák: Symphony no. 9 (New World)
Elgar: Enigma Variations
Falla: Three Cornered Hat: Three Dances
Franck: Symphony in D minor
Gershwin: An American in Paris
Gershwin: Piano Concerto in F
Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue
Gershwin: American in Paris
Gorecki: Symphony no. 3
Grieg: Peer Gynt Suite no.1
Grieg: Piano Concerto in A minor
Handel: Concerto Grosso
Handel: Messiah
Handel: Water Music
Haydn: Symphony no. 104 in D major
Haydn: Symphony no. 94 (Surprise)
Haydn: London Symphonies
Hindemith: Mathis der Maler Symphony
Holst: The Planets
Ives: Symphony no. 2
Ives: The Unanswered Question
Janáček: Taras Bulba
Kodaly: Dances of Galanta
Kodaly: Peacock Variations
Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody no. 2
Mahler: Rückertlieder
Mahler: Symphonies no. 1, 2, 4, 5, & 9
Mendelssohn: Symphony no. 3 (Scottish)
Mendelssohn: Symphony no. 4 (Italian)
Mozart: Piano Concerto no. 21
Mozart: Viloin Concerto no. 5 in A major
Mozart:Piano Concerto in C minor
Mozart:Symphony no. 40 in G minor
Mussorgsky-Ravel: Pictures at an Exhibition
Nielsen: Symphony no. 3 (Sinfonia espansiva)
Nielsen: Symphony no. 4 (The Inextinguishable)
Orff: Carmina Burana
Prokofiev: Romeo and Juliet
Prokofiev: Scythian Suite
Prokofiev: Symphony no. 1 (Classical)
Prokofiev: Symphony no. 5
Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto no. 2 & 3
Rachmaninoff: Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini
Rachmaninoff: Symphonic Dances
Ravel: Boléro (Oh but I hate that piece)
Ravel: Daphnis and Chloé
Ravel: La Valse
Ravel: Rhapsodie espagnole
Rimsky-Korsakov: Capriccio Espagnol
Rimsky-Korsakov: Sheherazade
Rodrigo: Concierto de Aranjuez
Rossini: overtures
Rossini: William Tell Overture
Saint-Saëns: Carnival of the Animals
Schoenberg: Gurrelieder
Schoenberg: Verklärte Nacht
Schubert: Symphony no. 5 in B-flat major
Schubert: Symphony no. 8
Schumann: Symphony no. 2 in C major
Shostakovich: Symphony no. 1 & 5
Sibelius: Finlandia
Sibelius: Symphonies no. 1 & 2
Sibelius: Violin Concerto
Smetana: The Moldau (second tone poem from Ma Vlast I)
Strauss, J.: Blue Danube Waltz
Strauss, R.: Also sprach Zarathustra
Strauss, R.: Don Juan
Strauss, R.: Don Quixote
Strauss, R.: Ein Heldenleben
Strauss, R.: Till Eulenspiegel’s Merry Pranks
Stravinsky: Firebird Suite
Stravinsky: Petrushka
Stravinsky: Pulcinella Suite
Stravinsky: Rite of Spring
Tchaikovsky: Nutcracker Suite
Tchaikovsky: Symphony no. 6
Tschaikovsky: Piano Concerto no. 1 in B-flat major
Tschaikovsky: Romeo and Juliet
Tschaikovsky: Symphonies no. 4 & 5
Tschaikovsky: Violin Concerto in D major
Verdi: Requiem
Vivaldi: Concerto for Four Violins
Vivaldi: Four Seasons
Vivaldi: Guitar Concerto in D major
Wagner: Flying Dutchman Overture
Wagner: Rienzi Overture
Wagner: Tannhäuser Overture
Wagner: Tristan and Isolde
Weber: Der Freischütz Overture
Webern: Passacaglia, opus 1

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What's the most important? Then, what are the best recordings?

I do plan on reading online reviews, and will by things from arkivmusic.com, amazon, or Borders (I have a card that gets me 15% off there).

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There are some personal cds I would get, not needed for a basic collection but that I really like--such as Mihlaud & Poulenc chamber music.
OK, some stuff missing. The guy must have something against the human voice. Singing is life, baby! I added some sung stuff and some other old warhorses (pieces that help pay any orchestra's rent).

The dude also forget string quartets and other chamber pieces.

none of the Adams
Bach: St Matthew Passion (one of my desert island discs)
Bach: Art of the Fugue, played on organ by Helmut Walcha
none of the Barber
Bartok: 6 String Quartets
Beethoven: Missa Solemnis
Beethoven: The Late Quartets
Beethoven: The Complete Piano Sonatas (any opus number above 100 is essential!)
Berlioz: Harold in Italy
Berlioz: The Damnation of Faust
Brahms: Double Concerto
Brahms: Violin Concerto
Brahms: Piano Quintet in Fm
Britten: War Requiem
Britten: er... um... that Good Samaritan piece (don't get old! hehehe)
Bruckner: Symphony #9
not the Copland, puhlease...
Debussy: Piano pieces, any and all!
Debussy: Three Nocturnes
Debussy: Jeux Poeme Danse
Debussy: String Quartet
not the Elgar, good gracious...
Haydn: The Creation
Liszt: Piano Concerto
Mahler: Symphony of a Thousand (#8)
Mozart: wow, so little Mozart there... first, The Clarinet Concerto
Mozart: Piano Concerto #25
Mozart: The Haydn Quartets
Mozart: Sonatas for Piano, played by Brendel on pianoforte, if you can still get that.
Prokofiev: Lt. Kije Suite
Prokofiev: Piano pieces like Sonatas, etc. He was a piano master.
none of the Rachmaninoff, unless you need something to play when you have a girl over for dinner.
ditch the Bolero, too
Ravel: Piano Concerto for Left Hand
Ravel: String Quartet
Ravel: Tsigane
Rossini... his contribution wasn't "overtures", but if you must have him, get a record of arias by a good soprano
Schubert: Piano Sonata in C
Schubert: Songs, there are several collections of them. It's what he did to buy food. These songs can sooth when nothing else will.
why ANY J. Strauss?
and why so much R. Strauss? All you need is Til Eugenspeigel and Zarathustra. But if you really like him, get some Wagner!
Verdi: a good collection of overtures.
Verdi operas that are core: Rigoletto, La Traviata, Il Trovatore



OK, now I will add some guys.
Bellini: a collection of arias
Binchois: probably will have to stick with a selection on a renaissance compilation
Bocherini: Cello Concerto
Buxtehude: Organ music, if J.S. Bach would WALK 75 MILES to hear it, it had to belong on this list!
Dowland: Lute Music, try to find it played on lute, not guitar. Bream plays him.
Dufay: maybe you can find him on the same disk as Binchois
Dukas: if you like the lighter stuff, then get the Sorceror's Apprentice
Faure: Requiem
Franck: Organ Music
Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue
Gershwin: Porgy and Bess
Gounod: Romeo and Juliette
Gregory: well, he only wrote it down, but you have to have some chant, it's the only music there was for hundreds of years.
Josquin (De Prez): Missa Ave Maris Stella
Josquin (De Prez): Marian Motets
Leoncavallo: I Pagliacci (it changed opera)
Machaut: Mass
Monteverdi: Madrigals (he invented opera!)
Monteverdi: The Coronation of the Pope
Palestrina: Song of Songs
Part: Passio
Puccini: La Boheme
Scarlatti, D.: Sonatas (some of the earliest ever)
Sor: Guitar pieces (played by Segovia, of course!)
Szymanofsky: Symphony #2
Vaughn Williams: Dona Nobis Pacem
Vaughn Williams: A Sea Symphony
Villa-Lobos: Guitar pieces (again, played by Segovia!)
Wolf: Songs (there are only two record's full, he died young)
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