Animal morality: are humans merely animals?

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

lot of double talk going on here. i have no clue what not being "conditioned" to the physical body yet having manifestations in it really means to be honest. Seems like hair splitting double talk so I guess Id need some clarification.

I don't think it's "double talk", IRex, I really think it's English-as-a-second-language talk. Being around native Spanish speakers in my family, I'm aware of some words and how they are used, and so I applied some "translation" to that sentence, and I think this is what he meant:

Original:
"Autoconscience, intelligence (not only rationality), moral sense, historical sense, artistical sense, free will (I'm sorry, Lizra )... are operations that are not conditioned to materia (though they might have material manifestations in us, in our body"

How I translated it:
"awareness of self, intelligence (not only rationality), moral sense, historical sense, artistic sense, free will (lo siento, Lizra!) (oops, slipped in some Spanish! ) ... are all things that are not subject to the physical make-up of our bodies, even tho they may cause physical reactions in our bodies that can be measured on instruments. For example, when I run, if there are sensors taped to my leg, you can see and measure the electrical responses going on, BUT - it is not the electrical impulses that have caused me to run - I have chosen to run and the electrical impulses are in response to my free-will choice. IOW, my body (with some limitations, but not important ones) is subject to my soul; not the other way around. And just because we can see a relationship between what a body does and what is happening in the body does NOT prove that the soul that initiated the actions does not exist."

Is that pretty much what you meant, FM?