Evidence for Creationism and Against Evolution

[Cirdan]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
I think perhaps we have a word definition problem here? What I mean by "self-existent" is something that is NOT created. It's a logical impossibility for something to create itself, so it is logically necessary, since things DO exist, that there is something that is self-existent that is behind creation.

Crystals grow from a liquid state into a structured state based on the physical properties of the particular molecules that make them up. The molecules could have be altered by external processes lacking any sort of cognizance or intent of creation (e.g. hydrothermal activity). The molecules can be asembled from indivdual elements. Elements are a naural by-product of fusion events in the universe. It is a logical flaw to state that since self creation is impossible that external creation is the only alternative.

And if you want to claim that everything could be an illusion,[/clip]

Everything we know within ourselves is an illusion until we can validate it with group consensus. This is why humans, a very social animal, neeed human contact to help maintain psychological stability. I'm pretty sure that the pavement I hit when my bicycle slid on some mud was NOT an illusion, however. But I have a wealth of human experience that reinforces my belief that my analysis of the event was correct from an objective POV.

Pass the popcorn, please