REAL debate thread for RELIGION

[Brill]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
Just for the record, I personally DO believe that an individual of the Catholic faith (as opposed to Catholics en masse) may certainly be a Christian, just as a Methodist may be a Christian (but would be in a minority position in the Methodist church, probably). Also that Catholic and Methodist individuals may NOT be Christian.

Agreed.

Sorry to burst YOUR bubble, but the Catholic religion IS a Christian religion. In order to be a Christian religion, the religion must believe that Jesus Christ is the son of god and worship him as god's son. That would be a "Christian" religion. As for all the other things: the Pope and saints are idols, blablabla ... you are mistaken. Catholics pray to saints for strength to follow in their shoes, so to speak, to be better Christians, to bring them closer to god's expectations of them. That's all. (I believe the worship of saints as idols is called Santaria and is not Catholic.)

True statement in bold, but I do believe I said something along the lines of I THINK therefore making the statement an opinion.

Italics statement: I was born a Catholic, okay? They do pray to saints and mary and seek the pope for absolution. You are not supposed "To have any god before me, nor any graven image" yadda yadda yadda, you get the point. Ahem, you pray to your chosen god, this is known as worship. Praying to saints is the same as praying to the tree in the front yard.

To dovetail what Ruinel said, if the pope is an idol, then every priest, minister, pastor, whatever, from any denomination is just as much an idol.

What makes you so sure of that? I never prayed to ONE of the PREACHERS/PASTORS I knew.

Brill, those are fighting words

*gets ready for a slap fight!*