America the Proud?

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Lalaith
No, I don't think so. Most ideas should be allowed to expressed, but not all of them. I think that right winged extremists threaten and discriminate against foreigners and that should not be allowed. Wether it reduces the right of free speech or not.

So who determines whose speech gets restricted? And what happens if someone decides that your speech should be outlawed. That what you believe isn't what they want to hear. What is there to prevent that - when you can already prevent another persons?

You didn't say. But you said it as if he has enourmous power here but it isn't so. We have a parliament.

Well then you shouldn't be afraid of the National Socialist Party - because even if they got into power - they wouldn't be able to do anything because of Parliament. The US president is very weak - he is controlled by Congress.. Everything that the president wants to basically has to go through Congress. One person I was talking to mentioned that "well the president picks the Supreme Court". That particular president doesn't pick the justices - only if there is a vacancy. Even then - Congress must approve the Justices. The President submits a budget - but Congress makes changes, additions, deletions, and has to approve it. All bills have to originate in the House - then they pass up to the Senate - if they're appoved by the Senate - they go to the President - where he can either sign them into law or veto it. Even if he vetos - Congress can still override him with a 2/3 vote.

Who said that they make speeches in public. But they settle and make their operations.
Of course we cannot take them their whole freedom. There have to be a breaking of laws and evidence for it.

You've taken away their freedom of speech without a second thought - all on the possibility that they will commit crimes.

In my opinion they should be forbidden. End of discussion. But maybe you have another relation to National Socialism because it was never a that important issue for you than it was for us.

Well I think socialism should be outlawed - but hey - that's just me. I'm glad I live in a society that gives everyone an equal voice whether we agree with them or not. if we didn't have this right - there would never have been a Abe Lincoln or a Martin Luther King. The Civil Rights would never have happened if we were able to outlaw speech the majority disagreed with.

I can NOT see how you can live in a free society and not allow freedom for EVERYONE. And yes - one of the things I am ashamed of is that it took till the 1960's for segregation to end in the southern half of the US. But we had the means to end it - because EVERYONE had a voice. Martin Luther King was able to stand on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and give his "I Have a Dream" speech. We have a Free Press that allowed scenes of the police brutality in Birmingham to be shown.

Today - becuase of this - we have Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice in two of the most powerful positions in government. And Condi Rice (who I had received an e-mail from while she was Provost of Stanford) grew up in the segragated south of Birmingham Alabama.

I will go to a rally to stand up against the KKK - but I will also stick up for the rights of those ignorant people to have their little white hooded demonstrations.