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Old 01-30-2003, 06:55 PM   #11
Maedhros
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I don't think you have proven that because he knew fear means that he did not have might of soul to resist him. Can you factually say that Hurin knew no fear? Fear does not mean weak. I think for Beren to endure the torment of Sauron, and then to proceed and succeed with the quest of the Silmaril shows that he was great indeed.
I think that I have. From the Lays of Beleriand: The Second Version of the Children of Húrin
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Then Húrin answered, Hithlum's chieftain
his shining eyes with sheen of fire
in wrath were reddened: 'O ruinous one,
by fear unfettered I have fought thee long,
nor dread thee now, nor thy demon slaves,
fiends and phantoms, thou foe of Gods! '
His dark tresses, drenched and tangled,
that fell o'er his face he flung backward,
in the eye he looked of the evil Lord
since that day of dread to dare his glance
has no mortal Man had might of soul.
There the mind of Húrin in a mist of dark
neath gaze unfathomed groped and foundered,
yet his heart yielded not nor his haughty pride.
This excludes the other mortals with the exception of Húrin. Beren could not, as stated by JRRT.
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What Beren did in his life served a purpose and achived an end.
You're right. I mean, if Húrin and Huor hadn't made way for Turgon to return to Gondolin, there is a possibility that Gondolin would have been destroyed, Tuor would have not met Idril and there would be no Eärendil. But there's no purpose in that.
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From him also came the line of kings and the person who managed to get back to valinor.
Tuor.
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