Theism

[Blackheart]

Originally posted by Cirdan


Math is a human concept used to describe phenomena of perception.

Blackheart, I've used your post to discuss what I wanted to say about this post after hobbit's comment. so I used it as a vehicle to expand on. Plus , as usual, you made some interesting points (and a good joke... tea :hehe.

Math may be used to describe the phenomena of perception, but there are real and sound arguments that it exists beyond the realm of perception. In otherwords, it isn't a human concept, excepting the symbols we use to represnt it.

For example (goes one of the more simplistic arguments) human perception is limited to the universe. We cannot perceive that wich lies outside the universe. Yet we have evidence that "phenomena" that exist outside the universe are susceptible to the same math that affects phenomena "inside" the universe (universe being a handy term for the space/time bubble we live in).

If mathematical concepts and other phenomena can exist merely as abstract concepts outside the bounds of perception, then it makes it more likely that other abstract concepts that are not strictly mathematical can exist.

You can take a non platonist view of math, and say it's strictly a human invention, but we're going to have to argue about it. For one thing, Math comes from observation of phenomena, as a way of predicting future similar instances. If there were no correlating factors for us to discover, then the whole pile of cards would collapse.