11-20-2008, 07:51 PM | #21 |
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OK,I can't figure out the multi quote thingy so here goes.
SisCuz.............. The Ted Kacinzsky reply had me on the floor laughing..... Great one Curufin.............. Hayden did more drugs than Timothy Leary Shesabrandybuck................
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11-20-2008, 07:57 PM | #22 |
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Okay! I was wrong! I admit it! I picked a bad example! My high school research wasn't perfect! Can we move on to the point now???
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11-20-2008, 08:08 PM | #23 | |
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that help?
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11-20-2008, 09:07 PM | #24 |
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Thanks shesabrandybuck. I've done it before but I forgot. Plus the fact that I'm an old fart and I'm computer challenged. I guess instead of the tongue smiley I should have said, "Your mother was a hamster and you father smelt of elderberries."
Curefin, I didn't mean for that to sound like a slam. It was a purely innocent post. Sorry bout that.
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11-21-2008, 12:00 AM | #25 |
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This is entirely wayyyy to early to say anything. My advice: Resurrect this in 2ish years.
Unless Obama for whatever reason decides to not run again or/and he is an absolute disaster and is worse than Bush (which seems very unlikely....and look the republicans let Bush run for reelection), he WILL be the democratic nominee in 2012. Clinton's next real chance for the Presidency, if she even still wants it by then, would then be 2016. Hillary seems to quite possibly genuinely want the Secretary of State position. She could easily use that as a stepping stone to the presidency in 2016.
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11-21-2008, 12:02 AM | #26 |
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But everyone's having so much fun.......
Why wait for 2ish years? What are the VP-elects' chances, ya think
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I wish I could tell this group some stories... :/ That's one of the problems with the internet. It gives me a false sense of being in a room with friends, when I'm really causing offense to people who have no reason to trust me.
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One thing I wonder about - has an incumbent President ever not received their own party's nomination, when they tried to get it? I know Reagan almost beat out Ford in 1976 - but those were rather exceptional circumstances (Ford only being there because first the VP resigned, then the Prez resigned). And... I know Johnson just didn't bother in 1968, because the Vietnam war was becoming so unpopular. But... did any sitting President, who tried to run again, actually not get their own party's nomination? They most often seem to run unchallenged - or with no serious challenger.
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11-21-2008, 10:43 AM | #29 |
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Well, on any level, Val, it's a poor idea. Causes a primary fight, which is expensive, and since incumbency comes with a lot of goodies (you've already hired people for jobs who will lose them under a new administration, for example) it's a dumb idea.
Lieberman, for example, is someone who, although incumbent, lost his party's nomination. He actually sits in the Senate as an Independent, having defeated the choice of his own party. And you see how well he's behaving (from a party POV) .
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11-21-2008, 07:49 PM | #31 |
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IR, see here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/...NkDMOWPSBI2ocA I really don't have to spin this, now do I?
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11-22-2008, 09:39 AM | #32 | |
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You mentioned Ford, and there was Carter in '80, challenged by a Kennedy, no less- but no, a sitting president has enormous power over the party.
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11-22-2008, 10:03 AM | #33 |
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As for Obama trying to get Hillary out of the limelight, SoS is hardly a low-profile position, especially with somebody like Hillary in charge.
It might be a case of better having her (and Bill ) "inside the tent p***ing out, instead of outside the tent p***ing in", as LBJ said about J. Edgar Hoover. As far as 2012 is concerned, the more likely scenario is Biden eased out, and Hillary put in as Veep- that gives her a lock on 2016. Problem with that is she'll be 69- should be less of a concern than for a man, but alas, sexism doesn't work that way. I was surprised when I first heard this- who gives up a safe Senate seat for a job that typically lasts only a few years?- but that would make sense. As well, she's a pretty junior senator- no committee chairs, though Harry Reed said he'd like to give her a bigger role- so slowly working up the ladder might not appeal to a superstar; not when you could be jetting around the world and hobnobbing with the top set. Personally, she's a bit too hawkish for my taste- I'd rather see her in the Senate shepherding healthcare through. For the GOP? Who knows- I figure it'll take at least one more shellacking to break the grip of the right wing- but will it be in 2010 or 2012? Jindal 2016?
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11-22-2008, 10:22 AM | #34 |
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Hey, who's the current Secretary of State? No looking! No googling!
. . . . . . . http://www.state.gov/
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11-23-2008, 07:47 AM | #36 |
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Though in all fairness, Condi's been a much better SoS than she was a National Security Adviser. Between her, Hadley and Gates, they managed to get some semblance of a sane foreign policy in place for the second Bush term.
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I'm thinking Huckabee may be the republican nominee in '12, though Palin or another is a possibility. Either way, I don't want the morality police and will be voting Obama, as will the majority of the US.
You can quote me on that!
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12-05-2008, 05:54 AM | #38 |
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Does Huckabee appease the religious base? Why didn't he win the nomination this time around?
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Huckabee was very strong on the moral right side of things, but he was practically democratic when it came to economic policy. Very much for using government to help out those in need. Most republicans lean towards social conservatism but, when push comes to shove, the "holding onto their money" factor is a lot more important. Give them the choice between lower taxes or family values and they will choose lower taxes every time. The religious block of the republican party is large, but it is not a majority any more than the radical left is a majority in the democratic party.
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12-12-2008, 08:36 PM | #40 |
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An analysis in the Wall Street Journal of the last election - with numbers!!!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122653996148523063.html The mainstream crescendo of the obamessiah seems to have a few dents, here and there.
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