11-13-2008, 12:56 PM | #101 |
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Thank you, my fellow Elda! I didn't know the bit about Thranduil. Cool...
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And considering the seemingly reasonable close relationships between the Rangers and Rivendell, it would surprise me if the Rivendell Elves didn't help the Rangers get equiped in anti-wraith gear to clean up the Barrow-downs once and for all. Quote:
Gah, this is the second time in a month someone gets upset about my way of discussing. Am I really that bad?
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As for the lesser wraiths, likely neither of them "survived" the destruction of the Ring. After all, the Necromancy, the Morgul-magick that turned them into wraiths was ring-derived, most likely. I guess the souls of lesser wraiths would become free and go to Mandos when the One is destroyed and the Nine Rings lose their power. Also we are not sure there were any lesser wraiths in Dol Guldur. Most were supposed to "live" in Minas Morgul anyway. By the way, how do you think, were there any lesser wraiths among that cavalry that followed the Morgul Lord out of Minas Morgul? Quote:
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11-14-2008, 04:24 PM | #107 |
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I think the implication was that they were placed in some sort of "seat of seeing" like Morgoth put Hurin in, or like Amon Hen, though I've never read such a thing, either.
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11-14-2008, 05:14 PM | #108 |
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Also, the Mouth of Sauron doesn't seem to be "brainwashed". He is a most dedicated servant of Sauron, greedy of dark knowledge and power, coming from a long line of Black Numenoreans.
Actually even Gandalf says that the Dark Lord was not short of Men in any way: many served him quite willingly. And the most dedicated and useful servants may aspire for a permanent position: just one stab with a Morgul blade and here you are immortal. Last edited by Gordis : 11-15-2008 at 04:17 AM. |
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Ahhh... and what did I just say to Eärniel, Gordis? Don't try to lead stuff from my sentences.
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And NOL, people don't try to lead stuff from your sentences, they simply try to understand them. I advise you to make your words clearer from the start. |
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I don't recall having read this sort of story either. I would follow Gordis' conclusion that this was fanfiction.
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11-15-2008, 05:44 AM | #112 | |
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I guess I should do as advised... though my pride keeps getting on the way. However, I do always try to make myself clear, be it consciously or not. The reason why I said "lead stuff" was because I try to speak so that there's nothing more to my sentences except what they clearly say.
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11-15-2008, 06:52 AM | #113 |
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OK, OK - no problem, NOL.
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Just so no one gets confused, please be kind and call me NEL or Nelly, as these were awarded to me in the Teacup Cafe, and are frequently used by others. ...then again, NOL refers kinda to N(g)oldor. thanks for the idea!
No, I have no link. it's just a vague memory. Pity.
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Er... sorry, NEL!
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This is the wierdest thing an Elf Lord has said to a Nazgûl, but there's nothing to be sorry for. I may well use something Noldor- related in my title once I get to choose it.
Back to the topic, though: I do not believe that there were wraiths among the cavalry from Minas Morgul. IMO, they were propably something like the last remnants of the Dark Numenorians who didn't live in Umbar, and who had been covered in the Shadow of the Enemy to make them look more intimidating. ...yeah, right...
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As I recall it, the Elves of Lorien destroyed the wraiths of Dol Guldur AFTER the One (and the Nine) were destroyed.
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I don’t recall Tolkien saying that the Elves ever forged “barrow-blade”-type weapons. I believe that the only smiths he wrote as having made any were among the Northern Dúnedain:
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The phrase “when the Dúnedain were young” seems to me to refer generally to the days in which the North Kingdom still existed; and by inference, once it “died,” the Dúnedain (at least in the North) became “old,” perhaps in some ways comparable to their essential allies, the Elves, without whom they could not have survived. Minas Morgul was polluted beyond redemption, I think: Morgul Vale, which had been a beautiful land before its fall around III 2000, was burned; when Minas Morgul was destroyed I do not know. Dol Guldur was made, in part, with the power of the Rings – with the power of the Nine, certainly, if not with some guidance by Sauron himself, whose power was bound up in the continued existence of the One Ring: it should have fallen with the end of the One Ring, and so also the power of the Nine; Tolkien says that Galadriel destroyed what was left. The eight Ringwraiths that the force led by Aragorn and the Captains of Gondor saw at the Morannon were destroyed when Sauron (mentally?) summoned them to Orodruin to seize the Ring: Quote:
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