09-10-2006, 01:04 PM | #1 |
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The Girdle of Melian
what exactly was it, for example was it a force field of some sort....was it something you could see, or was it just an invisable boundry...i have no clue.
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09-10-2006, 02:10 PM | #2 |
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it was an invisible barrior that confused traverlers who entered, and made them lost. However, if you had the approval of the king and/or queen (or were fated) then you could get through safely.
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09-10-2006, 02:30 PM | #3 |
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yeah but in the book i though it said that only the people who King Thingol wanted to pass could pass...and as for the confusion and lost thing i thought that was in Nan Elmoth or something like that.
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09-10-2006, 02:41 PM | #4 |
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Yeah. That's what i said. Thingol is king of Doriath. And too the confusion and lost thing, think of Turin and his guardians. They ran out of food and water, and would died if Beleg hadn't happened to come along, because they were lost.
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09-10-2006, 04:33 PM | #5 |
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yeah but then couldnt orcs and other creature of morgoth make there way through the girdle and into menegorath without thingol's permission?
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09-10-2006, 07:14 PM | #6 |
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no, see, they would get confused and lost. that's why he had it.
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09-10-2006, 08:51 PM | #7 |
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ok so lemme try to put this all together...The Girldle of Melian is an invisable barrier and when crossed you become confused and lost unless you have the permission of King Thingol to enter?
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09-11-2006, 12:51 PM | #8 |
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Yes, basically. You could also get in if you were fated to *hintBerenhint*.
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09-11-2006, 04:44 PM | #9 |
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no that doesnt make sense though cause then they could of had orcs roaming around the woods of Doriath, and iv never read about any of Thingol's men slaying orcs within the Girdle of Melian. The only 2 iv ever read about getting in the Girdle was Beren and, that dog/wolf that ate the Silmaril...
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09-11-2006, 06:07 PM | #12 |
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has anyone seen like a drawing of someone depiction of the girdle of melian?? if so please post the link.
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Lorien, Doriath. A lot of the elvish stuff is about making the kingdoms such that you couldn't get in (Gondolin, Nargothrond, but in a different way); Treebeard congratulates Galadriel on preventing the orcs from getting in during the war of the Ring. No wonder men and elves were "estranged". "Sorry, we've got all this cool stuff, but you can't come in." |
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09-11-2006, 09:28 PM | #15 |
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ok but i still dont think that if you crossed the girdle you became confused and lost....i DONT think it was possible at all to cross, save for beren and the wolf that ate the silmaril.
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This understanding explains why some could cross but others could not: it was (pardon the word) a âmagicâ barrier or region. It also goes far to explain why Tolkien was so uncomfortable with the notion that the Dwarves of Nargothrond were able to enter Doriath, sack Menegroth, kill Thingol, steal the Silmaril in the NauglamĂ*r, and escape. |
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Isn't there something like that in Mirkwood, in the Hobbit too? It just occured to me that it could be something similar. I haven't read that part in a while though. Is it explained?
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