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Let's say you have some members of a religious minority complaining that their tax dollars are being used to proselytise their children in a public school
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Say you're "StoptheACLU" and you have a problem with these uppity Jews. Solution? No Jews=No problem! Publish their name, address and phone number, and sit back as the threats roll in. Look, anyone in the public forum is open to any kind of harrassment, criticism and attacks- but you do NOT give out private information like the right-wingers in the recent NYTs case advocating publishing the same info for reporters's and editors's children. |
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07-15-2006, 02:53 PM | #242 |
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Alright now people...
how about this Nevada girl who thanked God in her valedictorion speech, and the school principals unplugged the mike on her? The ACLU apperantly didn't jump to the rescue of Free Speech. On a humorous note, read the third and second to last...of these
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Are people ignoring this issue, or has it not really made it into the mainstream media?
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07-26-2006, 05:42 PM | #245 |
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cheese?
(as in price of .... eh what?) what in today's world do you mean by mainstream? ... what we all as indivuiduals choose to view????? (just curious) best BB |
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Mainstream is: CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS. FOX is also mainstream, but they aren't seen (at least not my a certain majority) biased as the others are. FOX has been accused, of course, of being biased towards the right. But the fact is, if you look up the profiles of the people they have, they aren't all Rep/Conservative. It's just that CNN, much more popular, is so biased that once you come out of their trance, it's only inevitable that FOX will look biased...
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why do you think that is?
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The PBS newshour is about as close to unbiased as you get, but they aren't mainstream.
All the others have representatives from both sides, but that doesn't make them unbaised. The "bias" is about what stories they choose to headline, and how much time they spend on certain issues as opposed to others. Fox generally focuses on the conservative slant, while CNN focuses on the liberal slant. Another way they show bias is by representing both sides, but choosing the more charismatic representative for the side they wish to represent as the "truth". Why? Because they are businesses that survive via advertising. By focusing on a certain audience they capture a large portion of those viewers. Especially if they do it in a somewhat polarizing way. The news organizations have discovered that people like to tune into a news program that basically validates their own point of view. And if it does it with a bit of a bite against the other side, all the better. PBS, by comparision, is often called "boring" because it generally covers both sides equally and, when it does editorial discussions, typically has very level-headed speakers who deal with issues more than spin and dramatics. It's all good. That is what free speech is about. The only shame is how few people seem to be able to see these things for what they really are.
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I was reading Arthur Rubinstein's autobio awhile back, and he told how when he came to america, the press gave him a few questions, took pictures, and spun a completely untrue account of his journey by boat. Sensationalism, it's never died in the press... So BB, what other media outlets besides the BBC do you guys have over there? I mean, you have The Times, The Daily Mirror (I know because I've read James Herriot), but are there any other big TV outlets?
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Theres Sky News - kind of like MSNBC/CNN.
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BTW, should we start a thread for Media discussions?
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A list of recent cases where the ACLU defended various rights to religion. Note that this was posted in 2005 - so there are probably many other more recent cases. ACLU's Defense of Religious Liberty - article posted 3/2/2005 one involving a Valedictorian: Quote:
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But, Hobbit...is this list from the ACLU's own website? If so (I've seen it al;ready), I mean...it really isn't that convincing. Small-scale ACLU workings maybe in state-by-state, but the BIG MOMMA, in California or whereever they have their office, they ARE against Religion (except theirs) and God (except them). I'll look up a link for the Valedictiorian speech in just a sec...
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Ok, this tells the story very dramatically...but it sounds accurate from what I heard on the radio.
http://www.goofigure.com/UserGoofigu...asp?gooID=6607 Sure it's a little biased EDIT: WorldnetDaily? Thats not a bad source is it?
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hectorberlioz back up what you say.
How is the ACLU anti-religion and god? excuse me while I go roll my eyes. The ACLU isn't a living entity - it is made up of members - real people - with their own real religions. The ACLU isn't some atheistic organization. The ACLU doesn't have "it's own religion" or "its own god" like you have said. That doesn't even make any sense. I highly doubt that you have "seen it all" in regards to what is on the ACLU website. And because it is on the ACLU website that means the the info is somehow made up? You can verify everything on there by a second source I'm sure. Maybe by "seen it all" you mean "took a quick glance" ? The ACLU HQ is in NYC I believe.
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BTW, did you go to the link I had above? It's about the Nevada case.
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wow, so much to respond to ..so little time (???) ... o little current attention span
so ...it's a fight royal boys and girls ... in da blue corner el presidente' v's (in the green corner ) the owner's brother (is that right?? ) BB goes to get some highly flammable oil and a match ... er, i mean some popcorn... you wanna me to talk about the media? (mr forte' fer sure) sure ... best go start yourself a thread tho' ...else mebbe i will ... Last edited by Butterbeer : 07-27-2006 at 04:48 PM. |
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da BBC?
blimey, we ain't no bleepin cornish hamlet mate, media is our game and exponentially growing world influence. days of empire? gone (good riddance) .... with guns and such .... media? Rule brittania and her global partners o' course! US will be a marklet,, and a good one ... but the world looks to UK for media growth in most sectors ...Europe? Our very own liddle plaything ... whaddya wanta konw? BTW BJ calls it well - you should have a good idea who is what and where they are (generally) coming from with any media source. take da BBC - Western, liberal but mainly representative to a degree, essentially non religious with a public interest / broadcast remit to envelope religion and mutli-faith .... to a degree unbiased (as comparisons with any others go ) ... but essentially representive of western world view in essence. ITN syndicate, C4, five (both ITN affilaited) many differening spheres within BBC groupings, (massive in itself, BBC radio , interactive, web, on demand, world radio, many non network BBC's, BBC america, BBC east etc etc ... Influence in Reuters, ASP, growing distribution and Film specialisms, vibrant Indie sector, set for phenomenal growth many influences in all western media groups, press, ITV network, mutli staelite and cable stations, the one and only publishing sector in the world, burgeoning IPR and rights development and new models... where ya wanna start? best BB |
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Yes, I read the link.
Couldn't find a better source than a place called goo figure? lol I googled and found some better articles. District pulls plug on speech June 17th 2006 Group files lawsuit, alleges school officials violated teen's rights July 14th, 2006 Some KEY QUOTES that if you read nothing else read these: Quote:
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