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05-12-2006, 02:07 PM | #322 | |
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You're fond of studies, IRex. And so am I - as long as they don't pander to their bias. What do studies say about the best environment for children? People seem to forget about them in their quest for self-fulfillment ...
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05-12-2006, 02:36 PM | #323 | |
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In fact I recall seeing a rating scale for various species where perfectly monogamous species were given a 1.0 (the rating being based on number of current mates/copulation potentials an individual takes at any one time). I think Puffins or some bird had the lowest (most monogamous) score with something like 1.003 or something. Successful male elephant seals had like a 23.4 or something really high because of their harem behavior. Humans had like 1.4 with like males being like 1.6 or something. So we are a far cry from “perfect monogamy”. And the fact that most marriages in our society are between two people is somewhat irrelevant to the concept I was talking about. I simply said the idea of primary mate dominant Polyamory breeding situation fits the species nature better then perfect monogamy.
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05-12-2006, 02:47 PM | #324 | |
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As to whether the polyamorous (?) situation is bad for children well I think it’s a complicated question. I think it’s a harder relationship to pull off then the single family situation, especially in a culture that so shuns and stigmatizes any kind of family situation other then the nuclear one. But if you go to other societies where these kinds of things are more accepted you might find the kids work out just fine and in fact the extended family aspect of that situation actually lends itself to better child rearing in many ways then more limited situations.
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05-13-2006, 07:24 AM | #327 | |
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Doesn't the Catholic Church forbid divorce under any circumstance, including infidelity? You can't get annulment of a marriage on those grounds, can you? |
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05-13-2006, 07:38 AM | #328 | |
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But here's more text here. "Divorce" is said in many ways. Divorce, as in separation of husband from wife even permanently and cessation of their life together, is allowed; however, this does not dissolve the sacramental bond between them. The Catholic Church, as a rule, may be considered to take the words of Christ very, very, very seriously. Without further ado: Quote:
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05-16-2006, 09:48 PM | #331 | |
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It is in fact "unnatural" if I may dare say... Despite what some would lead you to believe about "tradition". And it has taken a toll on us as a society.
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05-17-2006, 10:27 PM | #334 |
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The state had every reason to put its nose into societal stability in the assurance of the support of the offspring of a union that was procreative - else the society at large was responsible for all the consequences of heterosexual relations with natural results.
That explains why it did not need the concept of homosexual "marriage" as it was a nonentity. It still is. Now, the state needed to assure the orderly devolution of property as well from generation to generation and amongst multiple potential inheritors. This was accomplished via legal descent - another proper determination of the state from legal standpoint. On this basis, homosexuals should have equal rights in regard to property, visitation, etc., because the construct of the corporation and company have taken this ought of strictly heritable determinations as priorly. There is legal precedent for partners in a company to have proper shares in a common venture. But that ain't marriage. Never will be. "There, I said it again."TM
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"The state had no business putting its nose in [t]he legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife in the first place." Right. Emphasis added. All right reserved.
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That's why it would be much better just to remove it altogether from the realm of government. It's like requiring a license to be baptised.
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This is a legal issue because the state has so much to do with controling people's lives. If we cannot change laws then we are dooming ourselves. (Sorry, I don't know WHERE that thought went.) Quote:
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Exactly what I've been saying would be the problem ...
http://magicstatistics.com/2006/05/2...polygamy-laws/ And, Nurv, it's Canada! Maybe your earnings tax will help support these 16 (and many more!) and logically (as some would say)...http://merecomments.typepad.com/mere..._income_n.html
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