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Pedophilia is not an orientation because sexual orientation has to do with gender (yours and the people you're attracted to) and not age.
Group marriage, polygamy, and polygyny also are also not orientations, even though I don't have a problem with them, unlike pedophilia.
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Ahhhh, reverse discrimination is NOT good, GLBT'S!!!!!!
GAY BARS GIVEN A STRAIGHT ULTIMATUM (really, that's the title) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...058989,00.html Interesting how the law is a two-edged sword, isn't it? =============================================== On the other hand, getting the government to pay for homosexuality education isn't going down to well in NC: http://www.carolinajournal.com/artic...y.html?id=3079 and, commentary: http://southern-orthodoxy.blogspot.c...nky-winky.html The latter is worth a look for logo for the Governor's Seminar. Does it or does it not spell GAY?
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Well of course desire comes from genes. Where else would it come from? We are all programmed to desire. It helps keep the numbers up. Now WHO you desire may be effected by a wide variety of factors SOME of which are certainly genetic. But just because something may have a basis in our genes doesnt mean its impossible to restrict it or deny it. We do that every day with other urges and instincts. Furthermore, even if you outright reject any notion that there is a genetic factor involved in homosexuality, we do know that IMPRINTING plays a specific roll in who we are attracted to. And imprinting is a process that hardwires a trait or a disposition into us such that it may as well be genetic. It has been shown to be as hard to reverse and ignore as any genetic predisposition would be. So the notion that as long as theres not some gay gene then things can easily be changed is erroneous.
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What I'm trying to say is that heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality are nothing but words made up by humans to simplify things. Sexual orientations may be too difuse to be so easily classified. Just think that's good to have in mind. Quote:
Inked, did you have a point in bringing this up or was it just one of your regular articles? It's not like being "pro-gay" automatically makes you like the idea of "reverse discrimination".
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Your point after that is a good one, though, IMO. SO - any comments on the Exodus conference, where both sides really were kind and considerate to each other and therefore able to communicate? I think it was great.
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I would totally go to a gay bar.
How could you even tell if someone was straight to ban them anyway? Or what if a bisexual guy was there with his girlfriend? Would bisexuals be banned too? I'm glad discrimination based on sexual orientation, in all forms, is legislated against. Quote:
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This thread went to a gay bar, so it didn't update with my previous post.
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the gay bar thing (denying people who "look" like hets) reminds me of something I heard when watching some Mardi Gras coverage. The reporter was talking about a club there that was for African American men. Just made me sad that if there was a club for Caucasian men, I imagine it would get picketed and there would be all sorts of outcry against it. This world is sad.
(and yes, I understand why the double standard is there, but it still makes me sad)
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According to the article, some clubs would ask people questions about the local gay scene if they thought they were het, and if they couldn't answer the questions with a certain about of knowledge, then they'd be denied entry. To that I say, eh what?
I totally agree with you Ri. I don't like reverse-discrimination either Jon. Actually, I don't think anyone has expressed that they do like it in this thread. It's still discrimination and fortifies an "us versus them" attitude.
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because African-American men can have an exclusive club and it is "celebrated", and Caucasian men can't, without IMO an extremely high likelihood of it being villified.
Don't you think that's wrong? (And yes, I recognize the background behind why one is celebrated and one isn't - what I think is sad is that the background even existed and thus causes double standards. )
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Wait... where is it legal to have a single race only public establishment in this country?
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I have no idea, but whether or not it's legal really doesn't make a difference. It's not like a club posts a large sign out front that says White Punk Skinheads Only, or African American Blacks Only, or Crips Only, or Bloods Only, for that matter , or Gays Only, or White-Collar Perfectly Dressed Beverly Hiltonites Only, but hey - guess what? Such places are in abundance all over town. So? Big deal. If certain groups want their own kind only around them, then great. It's when the Beverly Hiltonite suddenly wants to go to a Crips Only bar, or a Skinhead suddenly gets and urge to pop into a Israeli themed bar, or - you get the idea - that then there's problems. That's life.
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Well as long as we are clear its not currently legal in this country to have a whites ONLY or blacks ONLY bar. Now what some clubs will do is discriminate based on clothing which is generally upheld in a court of law. This is generally used to keep out the scrubs and the low lifes to the snotty bling bling clubs that everyone wants to be seen at (for some reason) and there is no real breakdown by race (if you are good looking and can bring in chicks you can come in). But in some southern cities, especially New Orleans, there are places that will discriminate against say baggie clothes and big chains and traditional black (thug?) was of dressing. They have gotten in trouble because they sometimes let white folks in dressed exactly the same as the black folks they wont let in. This is why you see "black only" clubs but they arent really black only. You can bet youll find a decent number of good looking white girls in these "black only" clubs because they bring in more business to the club. And they will let a white guy in if he really wants to come in. Now as to if he will get quick service well...
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That's what I heard, and it was said as, "Oh, isn't that interesting?" instead of "How DARE they have a club based on a person's race?!?!" And to me, that seemed to be a double-standard.
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Are you talking about a Margi Gras club? Like a Crew?
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gay bars given a straight ultimatum David Cracknell, Political Editor GAY clubs will risk prosecution if they deny entry to heterosexual customers under new laws intended to protect homosexuals from discrimination. Under regulations to be published next month it will be illegal for a gay bar or nightclub to exclude anyone on the grounds of sexual orientation. The full implications of the new law have caused alarm among gay rights activists, who are surprised at the perverse effects of a measure they believed would advance their civil rights. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1) The title of the article was priceless. 2) These are public bars, not private clubs. 3) Equality under the law means that someone can shove their heterosexuality in your face with the same equanimity as non-heterosexuals go about shoving theirs in everyone else's. 4) Gay bars have better male dancers and you don't have to be gay to dance (experentia docet), but who should choreograph your next appearance on the dance floor? 5)The irony was superb. 6)Some orientations are more equal than others in their own eyes and so deserve special treatment: "We can go to yours but you can't come to ours." 7) Could a bouncer reliably tell one's orientation or would it be solely an external characterization based on stereotypes? 8) Is Hollywood in England, Lotesse? Really, though, the last sentence says it all. The law was thought to have one purpose in the gay activist mind, but turned out to be a double-edged sword. That was the point, Lotesse and Jonathan. Equality often means equality, not what one group has envisioned. And, I must admit, that the use of the word perverse still has me smiling in amusement at the writer's audacity.
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