02-02-2002, 01:54 AM | #21 |
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Exactly...
KFC, for instance, has tons of wings. But does Col. Sanders fly by flapping a bucket of those?
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02-02-2002, 03:13 AM | #22 |
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Yeah! What about buffalo? They have wings, and they don't fly!
LOL, order our new, juicy Balrog wings at Barliman's today!
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02-02-2002, 03:28 AM | #23 |
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Er...come to think of it...whether or not Balrogs have wings...it did fly down the ravine with Gandalf flying behind it on the way down...
Forget my other posts
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02-02-2002, 05:15 AM | #24 |
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Facinating! In an attempt to avoid becoming even more unpopular I'm stayign neutral in this.,..or whichever side waves the sharpest weapons!
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02-02-2002, 10:21 AM | #25 |
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I think Balrogs have wings.
But as for why it didn't fly off the top of Zirak-zigil is: It had just been battling with Gandalf. Wings or no wings, that Balrog's defeated, and it's going down.
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02-02-2002, 10:47 AM | #27 |
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Well, comic book guy, I guess you've proven me wrong.
In the movie, though, I haven't seen any definite wings . . . am I just missing them? Anyways, if the balrog has wings and they are spread from wall to wall, it can hardly flap them enough to fly.
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02-02-2002, 02:59 PM | #28 |
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The fellowship had wings-thus "FLY you fools"
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02-02-2002, 07:48 PM | #30 |
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On my opinion, it had wings.
"It's wings were spread from wall to wall" I'd say, that the Fellowship just first taught, that they were shadows, until they were spread out. It didn't fly when Gandalf dropped it down, becouse it couldn't. IT couldn't, becouse it fell on it's back, and it had quite enough trouble with fighting with Gandalf in the way down. Another thing, why I believe, that they had wings is, that balrogs could fly to Morgoth's aid when he was in trouble with Ungoliant, from the vast lands between Angband and place, where Morgoth was in trouble, which seemed to be in far north. |
02-02-2002, 08:02 PM | #31 |
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Exerpt from The Fellowship Of The Ring, Chapter 5, "The Bridge Of Khazad-Dum", Page 345, 1st paragraph, Top of the page:
The Balrog made no answer. The fire in it seemed to die, but the darkness grew. It stepped forward slowly on to the bridge, and it suddenly drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall; but still Gandalf could be seen, glimmering in the gloom; he seemed small, and altogether alone: grey and bent, like a wizened tree before the onset of a storm.
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02-02-2002, 09:59 PM | #32 |
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IT HAS GREAT RUDDY EMU WINGS!!! THAT'S WHY IT FALLS!!! *mwahaha*
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02-02-2002, 10:28 PM | #33 |
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The Balrog in the mines of Moria is not the only existing balrog in the Tolkien's writings. There are a many balrogs in the silmarillion none of which are mentioned to have wings. So...yes it is possible that they have wings, but it is equally as possible that they have a giant brooms all over there body.
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02-02-2002, 10:29 PM | #34 |
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….To have or not to have wings….. that is the question!
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02-03-2002, 12:31 AM | #35 |
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New revision on an earlier theory about what may have happened:
Balrog: <Oh Dear, Professor Gandalf's here. Gotta ask about my license or I won't be a full fledged maia> GRRR... Master Gandalf..Master Gandalf...about my flying license...do I get my wings or not? Gandalf: After all that I taught you, you keep failing. I haven't seen a more inept imbescile in my years as a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Arnor... Once and for all, YOU SHALL NOT...PASS!!!<I'll make him learn yet> {Gandalf shoves Balrog. Balrog starts falling..) Balrog: Help Mr Gandalf...what do I do? Gandalf: Stupid Balrog. FLY YOU FOOL!!!!!!! Boromir to Aragorn: What's all that about?
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02-03-2002, 12:22 PM | #36 |
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I feel that whatever type of wings he possessed,they weren't operative.maybe he could make them from fire at will,and made him appear more menacing to his enemies?The main reason I feel this,is because Gandalf seems to think, if they make it to the bridge of Khazad- dum,they have a chance.Since it's main purpose,was to serve as way to stop invaders,by destroying it ,makes you think this is what Gandalf intended.This would suggest that Gandalf knew that the Balrog couldn't fly.Has anyone ever heard what Chris Tolkien's theory on the subject is?
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02-03-2002, 12:23 PM | #37 |
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I think they have either semi-wings, which are not "real" wings but "shadow" wings. Phatom, sort of, you might say. Or, they do have real wings, but they can't use them because of physics: the wings are too small for their body size and frame, therefore cannot lift them, which is why the one in Moria falls in the pit.
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02-03-2002, 12:40 PM | #38 |
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...and so like the dodo, the last of the balrogs went down flapping...
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02-03-2002, 01:29 PM | #39 |
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The balrog in Moria fell into the chasm because his wings were not facing the right way to create lift to overcome drag, gravity was overcoming thrust, and his pitch and yaw were inconducive to controlled flight. Oh, and plus Gandalf was kicking his teeth in at the time...
Plus, at the top of Silvertine, Gandalf was holding him down and snicker-snagging on him and telling him, "Gonna fly off like a little BABY, balrog? Whatcha say, baby? Gonna fly off like a big chicken?" So the Balrog was shamed into staying and fighting it out. And losing.
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02-03-2002, 04:33 PM | #40 |
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Perhaps the Balrog had grown so fat after eating (I presume) a bunch of Dwarves and Orcs that it could no longer lift it's own weight.
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