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02-08-2006, 03:12 PM | #502 |
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Really well said, I Rex. You're right, methinks.
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I don't see hornets as rational beings, so I don't think the comparison is a good one. I thought the toilet thing was proven to have not happened? And I would like to point out that in OUR prisons, Muslims are provided with Korans and other things to help them observe their religion; yes, there have been abuses, but they are not the norm. In Muslim prisons, it is the NORM for Christians to be tortured, killed, etc., and CERTAINLY NOT provided with a Bible or any type of help towards observing their beliefs. Do you see a difference here, that perhaps has something to do with the prevalent religious beliefs of the two types of countries? I"m not hate-mongering; I'm observing facts.
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This whole situation is messed up. About 10 people have died over these cartoons? Ridiculous.
They are upset at how they Muslims and Prophet Muhammod are characterized - upset that they are shown as terrorists, etc. How do they respond to that? By acting like terrorists....... yeah thats smart. "We aren't terrorists..... now lets go burn and destroy a bunch of embassies.. that will show them" ---- I guess ideas such as freedom of the press and peaceful protest are alien to them. --- And if they post a bunch of disgusting cartoons depicting Jews in the Holocaust - the world will just think less of them - we won't go around burning and destroying their embassies. They currently run cartoons like that now anyway. Iran is so immature and very out of touch with the World -as are all these crazies involved.
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oh, and about the government refusing meeting with them - I thought initially that it might be a good idea, but last night I saw a representative of the government saying that they refused to meet with them because they had nothing to do with publishing the cartoons, and they don't control the press. Good point, IMO, because what in effect would be happening was that Muslims would be asking a foreign government to slap controls on their free press.
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we had massive demonstrations in this country - one of the most common slogans was: 'Behead those who insult Islam'
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Ha ha that reminds me of Holy Grail: "Now go away or we will taunt you another time-ah." *publishes cartoons again* Appropriate French accent and all
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Perhaps the following info will be of interest. I asked a few Muslim acquaintances for info but after waiting long enough I dug this up myself:
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Everything is fine as long as we Kow-Tao to them.
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02-08-2006, 05:35 PM | #513 |
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....imitating Gomer Pyle...."oh you're going straight to hell for that one"........
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11 people have been killed so far in these protests. It is crazy. This just shows the rest of the world that the Islamic world is crazy.
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02-08-2006, 06:26 PM | #515 |
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oh yes of course...
Just as it shows the Islamic world that all Europeans are inconsiderate blasphemous idolaters looking to start another crusade... My how easy it is to paint with a broad brush from a warped perspective isnt it. From EITHER side...
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What I want to know is how they are getting all these Danish flags that they are burning? Obviously they are being supplied with them by their governments (Iran and Syria) and are being egged on. These cartoons are not recent - just these protests are.
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Yes they are being egged on by extremists. Wouldnt you take advantage of such a great opportunity if you were a terrorist or a religious extremist trying to promote your anti-western agenda? Or a government under scrutiny for other reasons (Syria, Iran) looking to lighten the global pressure against them by screaming bloody murder about the westerners attacking the prophet? Seems logical to me... So the question is why give them that card to play at all?
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Here's what I think (and it's probably a repeat of someone else's more ingenius post):
Firstly, those papers and all the rest have the right to publish whatever cartoons they so choose. But I still think the danish paper was brash for doing it. "Thought provoking" and "Challenging our beliefs" is what the original intent of the cartoons were. It ended up bieng "violence provoking", and "challenging other countries",and in general the worst idea commited to paper this year. But the Muslim response was absolutely juvenile. For years and years Christians have been subject to bieng portrayed negatively in political cartoons. And in "Serious" art, to no end: a crucifix in urine, the Madonna smeared with feces has been defended as "thought provoking" and "original". Those two examples are ones where christians cried out in protest, but there are probably a thousand more examples these days...especially in political cartoons. We didn't burn our opponents houses or cars. So, I say: Muslims, get used to it.
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Now, I do understand that Muhammed is not allowed to be drawn. And that's where I think it's fair to critisize the danish artists for drawing them. Not because I don't believe in their right to do so, but because they purposefully drew the cartoons to show muslims that they were doing it. Did they expect that the muslim response was going to be anything less than violent?
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