Aragorn fights the Troll.

The Witch-King of Angmar · 10-07-2005, 01:56 AM

I just saw the Appendices on the EE's and i only just found out about the troll Aragorn fights in rotk (at the black gate). anyway, for those who don't know, Aragorn was originally going to be fighting Sauron. Peter Jackson thought this would have made Aragorn too much of a hero and take focus away from Frodo, so he changed Sauron into a troll.

Whats everyones opinions, do you think Aragorn should have fought the troll or Sauron?

Gordis · 10-07-2005, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Witch-King of Angmar

I just saw the Appendices on the EE's and i only just found out about the troll Aragorn fights in rotk (at the black gate). anyway, for those who don't know, Aragorn was originally going to be fighting Sauron. Peter Jackson thought this would have made Aragorn too much of a hero and take focus away from Frodo, so he changed Sauron into a troll.

Whats everyones opinions, do you think Aragorn should have fought the troll or Sauron?

Don't you think that the best idea would have been to stay close to the book?

Butterbeer · 10-07-2005, 06:04 AM

he may as well (pj that is) have had him fought the wicked witch of the west, or godzilla ... for all the relevancy of the question...

in the book sauron was in baradur when the ring was cast into the fire...

if pj didn't want aragorn to be so much of a hero why mangle the book to have him fight sauron? don't make any sense .... mind, hollywood execs spring to mind...

why not have him fight elrond?
"i have had enough of you looking at me like that , not even blinking once!"

Telcontar_Dunedain · 10-07-2005, 11:50 AM

I agree with Gor. The best thing to happen would have been to have Merry at Minas Tirith and have Pippin and Beregond fighting the troll.

The last sane person · 10-07-2005, 01:45 PM

The hobbits got no glory at all really, just used a bunch of extra baggage and occasional comic relief in these films, same with gimli...

rohirrim TR · 10-07-2005, 02:35 PM

don't diss gimli man, Gimli rocked!!!

Telcontar_Dunedain · 10-07-2005, 05:52 PM

He's right. All the action and heroism (as in battle heroism) was given to Aragorn, Legolas and slightly Gandalf.

The last sane person · 10-07-2005, 07:47 PM

At this point, I look at the film and say, "why did they waste all that money one extras" they way that it always focused on the three abov mentioned characters...I wouldnt have been surprised if pj tried to cut out boromir, gimli and merry all together, if it wouldnt have damaged movie sales.

The Witch-King of Angmar · 10-08-2005, 08:14 AM

The main reason i wanted to see Sauron fighting Aragorn is because it would be cool. I think they should have left him fight the troll, but put in the Sauron scene as a deleted scene.

I just think it would have been nice to watch...

Spock · 10-08-2005, 10:09 AM

IMO, it was fine the way it was. To have him fight Sauron would have ended the movie at that point and the rest of the filming would have been, to use a pun, other than notlob, Moot.

Curubethion · 10-08-2005, 09:14 PM

The Aragorn vs. Sauron battle would have been cool; it would have been a great way to do the Palantir scene...as it was, the troll was pretty good. It kind of symbolized the entire conflict: as Frodo is tempted at the brink of Doom(no pun intended), Aragorn is nearly trodden underfoot. Then, he comes from underneath as the Ring is destroyed.

rohirrim TR · 10-08-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Telcontar_Dunedain

He's right. All the action and heroism (as in battle heroism) was given to Aragorn, Legolas and slightly Gandalf.

what about helm's deep, he went in there on the causeway and if he hadn't done that the whole battle whould have been lost

Elanor · 10-08-2005, 10:11 PM

I've watched this scene closely several times. I think it was an interesting idea-- to have Sauron suddenly appear as this glowing angel type person (as he used to be in one of his bodies-- when he convinced the elves and Numenoreans he was their friend), but it would also be extremely weird, especially for people who are fanatic about sticking to the book. I can understand why they cut out Sauron and pasted in a troll, but I think it would have been better to reshoot it and just have him heroically fighting various orcs and things.

In some ways Aragorn's troll-duel detracted from the Mount Doom Moment, but in some ways it increased the tension to have so many cuts back and forth. I certainly wasn't all that concerned about Aragorn when I watched it -- the Ring situation was much more vital. But it did prolong the suspense, so I guess that's good.

The Witch-King of Angmar · 10-09-2005, 07:29 PM

Well if you watch it, Aragorn is actually losing the fight, and before he is struck down, The Ring drops in.

Jon S. · 10-09-2005, 08:46 PM

Y'all are far too hard on PJ, had he truly been ratings-driven, he'd have had Arwen fight Eowyn.

The last sane person · 10-09-2005, 11:40 PM

Y'know, I wouldnt mind that added scene at all!

rohirrim TR · 10-10-2005, 02:25 PM

maybe that scene will be in the 25th anniversary edition

tolkienfan · 10-10-2005, 03:33 PM

No! That would never happen.

Acalewia · 10-24-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon S.

Y'all are far too hard on PJ, had he truly been ratings-driven, he'd have had Arwen fight Eowyn.

I heard a rumor that there was a scene with Arwen fighting, but dropped it when the bookfans had a cow. I don't know the reason why he dropped the Scoring of the Shire scene.
Back on topic now: the Aragorn/Troll duel did create a lot of suspense as Frodo and Gollum are fighting over the Ring before it is destroyed.

tolkienfan · 10-24-2005, 05:14 PM

She was going to be in Helm's Deep. I'm really glad they took that out.

10-07-2005, 01:56 AM	#1
The Witch-King of Angmar Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 143	Aragorn fights the Troll. I just saw the Appendices on the EE's and i only just found out about the troll Aragorn fights in rotk (at the black gate). anyway, for those who don't know, Aragorn was originally going to be fighting Sauron. Peter Jackson thought this would have made Aragorn too much of a hero and take focus away from Frodo, so he changed Sauron into a troll. Whats everyones opinions, do you think Aragorn should have fought the troll or Sauron? __________________ *"Do not come between the Nazgûl and his prey"* I'm an Xbox Guy! Xbox Guys

10-07-2005, 11:50 AM	#4
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	I agree with Gor. The best thing to happen would have been to have Merry at Minas Tirith and have Pippin and Beregond fighting the troll. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

10-07-2005, 01:45 PM	#5
The last sane person The Black Númenórean Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,773	The hobbits got no glory at all really, just used a bunch of extra baggage and occasional comic relief in these films, same with gimli... __________________ Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

10-07-2005, 05:52 PM	#7
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	He's right. All the action and heroism (as in battle heroism) was given to Aragorn, Legolas and slightly Gandalf. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

10-07-2005, 07:47 PM	#8
The last sane person The Black Númenórean Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,773	At this point, I look at the film and say, "why did they waste all that money one extras" they way that it always focused on the three abov mentioned characters...I wouldnt have been surprised if pj tried to cut out boromir, gimli and merry all together, if it wouldnt have damaged movie sales. __________________ Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

10-07-2005, 06:04 AM	#3
Butterbeer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: here and there Posts: 3,514	he may as well (pj that is) have had him fought the wicked witch of the west, or godzilla ... for all the relevancy of the question... in the book sauron was in baradur when the ring was cast into the fire... if pj didn't want aragorn to be so much of a hero why mangle the book to have him fight sauron? don't make any sense .... mind, hollywood execs spring to mind... why not have him fight elrond? "i have had enough of you looking at me like that , not even blinking once!"

10-08-2005, 08:14 AM	#9
The Witch-King of Angmar Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 143	The main reason i wanted to see Sauron fighting Aragorn is because it would be cool. I think they should have left him fight the troll, but put in the Sauron scene as a deleted scene. I just think it would have been nice to watch... __________________ *"Do not come between the Nazgûl and his prey"* I'm an Xbox Guy! Xbox Guys

10-08-2005, 10:09 AM	#10
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	IMO, it was fine the way it was. To have him fight Sauron would have ended the movie at that point and the rest of the filming would have been, to use a pun, other than notlob, Moot. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

10-08-2005, 09:14 PM	#11
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	The Aragorn vs. Sauron battle would have been cool; it would have been a great way to do the Palantir scene...as it was, the troll was pretty good. It kind of symbolized the entire conflict: as Frodo is tempted at the brink of Doom(no pun intended), Aragorn is nearly trodden underfoot. Then, he comes from underneath as the Ring is destroyed. __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

10-08-2005, 10:11 PM	#13
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	I've watched this scene closely several times. I think it was an interesting idea-- to have Sauron suddenly appear as this glowing angel type person (as he used to be in one of his bodies-- when he convinced the elves and Numenoreans he was their friend), but it would also be extremely weird, especially for people who are fanatic about sticking to the book. I can understand why they cut out Sauron and pasted in a troll, but I think it would have been better to reshoot it and just have him heroically fighting various orcs and things. In some ways Aragorn's troll-duel detracted from the Mount Doom Moment, but in some ways it increased the tension to have so many cuts back and forth. I certainly wasn't all that concerned about Aragorn when I watched it -- the Ring situation was much more vital. But it did prolong the suspense, so I guess that's good. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

10-09-2005, 07:29 PM	#14
The Witch-King of Angmar Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 143	Well if you watch it, Aragorn is actually losing the fight, and before he is struck down, The Ring drops in. __________________ *"Do not come between the Nazgûl and his prey"* I'm an Xbox Guy! Xbox Guys

10-09-2005, 08:46 PM	#15
Jon S. Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 455	Y'all are far too hard on PJ, had he truly been ratings-driven, he'd have had Arwen fight Eowyn.

10-09-2005, 11:40 PM	#16
The last sane person The Black Númenórean Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,773	Y'know, I wouldnt mind that added scene at all! __________________ Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

10-10-2005, 03:33 PM	#18
tolkienfan Elf Lord Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Internet Posts: 803	No! That would never happen. __________________ Don't be hasty! Thanks so much to Last Child of Ungoliant, Twista, and BeardofPants for my avatar!

10-24-2005, 05:14 PM	#20
tolkienfan Elf Lord Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Internet Posts: 803	She was going to be in Helm's Deep. I'm really glad they took that out. __________________ Don't be hasty! Thanks so much to Last Child of Ungoliant, Twista, and BeardofPants for my avatar!

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