01-30-2005, 02:53 AM | #81 |
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Were you talking to me, Elemmire, or to someone else. I think you were, but I don't even know what I'm talking about.
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But, yes, I was talking to you.
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If one of your posts somewhere along the line in this thread starts something serious or somehow changes the way we all think about Tolkien (or makes us go declare war on Mexico ), then perhaps one could claim that this thread had to be started so that such an event could come to pass. In which case, if you believe that fate is stuck in stone, and that such a future event had to come to pass, it most certainly is your fault, rather than mine and Chrys's, that this thread was started. And that's the sort of logic that we're using to blame Fëanor. Of course, it hinges upon the presence of fate and almost complete absence of free will, though I think such is a perfectly logical way to view Middle Earth.
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01-30-2005, 02:43 PM | #85 |
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Well...Tolkien did write these books and since he did then you know that everything happened for a reason. And if everything happened for a reason(fate) then it is Feanor's fault.
I think all I did was back up what Elemmire was saying...just from a different point of veiw.
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01-30-2005, 03:35 PM | #86 |
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But then its not Feanor himself that is at fault, it is his fate. You can't blame him for that
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How about "It was his personality that was at fault"? I think that someone is as closely tied to their fate as to their personality. Perhaps you could claim that Fëanor couldn't control his arrogance, but this doesn't mean that he is any less to blame. His arrogance is a part of him, as is his fate, I think.
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01-30-2005, 08:51 PM | #88 |
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AAAAAGH! Iv'e only just seen this thread How could you!!"
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The sword won't work, but you can try to beat us with logic. And we're only bashing Fëanor. We've left the sons alone. They are, after all, Fëanor's fault anyway! [edited] How ever did I manage to rack up so many posts here? I've never talked about magic 8 balls...
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Again with the 8 ball.
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I wish a Fëanorian would come and try to refute us. Kell! Where are you!
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01-30-2005, 11:02 PM | #95 |
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Hmm. I'm still going with Blame Morgoth. Maybe I should put it in my signature.
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01-31-2005, 01:11 AM | #96 |
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I know this is an easy one, but I blame Fëanor for Miriel's early departure to the halls of Mandos, and Finwë's great grief. And then he had to hate his dad's new wife. I mean, this guy caused a lot of pain for his father, and Finwë still loved him. Gah. That's the worst. Ungrateful kids.
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01-31-2005, 01:04 PM | #98 |
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Sorry Ellemire, I was out sharpening my kinslaying equipment
and recharging a silmaril or three! Right who do you want me to whack in the head with the first one? And it is NOT Feanor's fault!( whatever it is )I'll take the blame , I usually do |
01-31-2005, 05:49 PM | #99 |
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Wow, that is not a small thing. All the blame? are you sure you could handle that? If you ask Ellie and the other guys, that mean you take the blame for everything that EVER happended in Arda, which was of the bad. Wow.
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Hey, question - is Feanor responsible for anything Good? Or just bad?
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