01-08-2005, 09:39 AM | #1 |
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Is there more than 1 Balrog in middle earth or is the one in moria the only one
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maybe there are more then 1 at the time of the War of the Ring, I'm not sure if Tolkien ever mentions whether there are any more in Middle-Earth, it might be in the Appendices somewhere...
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01-08-2005, 05:10 PM | #3 |
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I'd say that probably he was the o nly one left. There weren't many Balrogs in the First Age, and most of them were killed in the War of Wrath (not sure about the name. It's my translation. I refer to the last war in the first age).
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01-08-2005, 05:17 PM | #4 |
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It was the War of the Wrath Rad.
Apparntly there was only about 7 in the 1st age and as RtB said, most were destroyed in the War of the Wrath and Gothmog was killed in the siege of Gondolin.
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only 7 Balrogs huh? I never counted them, but I always assumed there would be more...
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01-08-2005, 06:38 PM | #7 |
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don't have to tell me that twice...
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It's one of many reasons I hesitate to recommend the Sil77 to newbies.
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if there were a lot of balrogs at the time of the War of the Ring, then Sauron probably woudl have won
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If the Balrogs would have helped Sauron. and I don't know that. Like tha balrog in Moria, I thionk he stayed of his own choice and if Sauron had spoken to him, I think the balrog was his own master. and I think the others could have turned out that way too. If Sauron had promised them land for themselvs, maybe they would have helped him.
and if that case, yes I think Sauron would have won.
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It would not have made any differance to who won, unless you had Balrogs standing guard of Sammath Nuar or Cirith Ungol. Sauron was defeated because of the destruction of the Ring, not because of victory on the Pelennor.
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Im sure in the Sil it says all were vanquished bar one that fled deep into the mountains..
of course it could be my mind playing tricks.. someone confirm?
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From the Silm:
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Doesn't give an exact number, but it can't be that many. I've seen the number 7 given for the total number of Balrogs, but I can't remember where. I don't think I saw it in any of the books I've read so far... You know, if Balrog/s had come to help Sauron, Sauron himself would have most likely still lost, but you'd still have at least one Balrog to deal with afterwards... And I don't see any Fëanors/Fingolfins/Fingons/Echthelions/Glorfindels around... Well, scratch the Glorfindel, but still...
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Quite proud of myself then
Happy 1000th by the way...
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Thank you!
I wonder though... does anyone know where the number seven comes from? I bet its in HoME 12 (must... have... book...) I hope it is... otherwise I have no excuse for not remembering where I read it... or not reading it in the actual material...
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I think that I saw the number seven in the Letters.
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01-30-2005, 02:27 PM | #19 |
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Hm. I couldn't find it in the Letters myself (Balrog only had three entries in the index, and none discussed the numbers).
I found the number 1000 in The Shaping of Middle-earth! Somehow I think that number was later changed... It's probably in the Peoples of Middle Earth. Everything that I'm looking for and can't find seems to end up being in that book. I'll look it up again as soon as I can order that book...
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