01-02-2002, 05:55 PM | #1 |
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Wight names?
"The Barrow-wights we know by many names" said Elrond (The Council of Elrond, LotR).
Anyone know these names?
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01-02-2002, 06:25 PM | #2 |
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nope. I have missed that quote... I am sure one of our resident scholors knows though.
i will go look in my Middle Earth encyclopedia.... |
01-02-2002, 09:53 PM | #3 |
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I have consulted my trusty The Complete Guide to Middle-Earth : From the Hobbit to the Silmarillion and it has no alternate names for the Barrow Wights. The Black Chasm also has no information on other names of these wights.
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01-03-2002, 03:42 AM | #4 |
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Billy Wight, Sammy Wight, Robin Wight...
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01-03-2002, 01:02 PM | #5 |
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Well, I've heard at least three of them are known as "the Wight Brothers". Plus, one or two of the darker females of Middle Earth have claimed they have met "Mr. Wight"...
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01-04-2002, 01:32 AM | #6 |
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I still sleep with a Night Wight...
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01-04-2002, 05:43 PM | #7 |
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I think some people treat this issue as very light wight...
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01-04-2002, 06:00 PM | #8 |
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If I remember correctly, the extremely tired ones are burned out wights.
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01-05-2002, 12:47 AM | #9 |
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It Wight be a good idea to close it before the puns get worse.
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01-05-2002, 01:33 AM | #10 |
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Has anyone yet mentioned Gandalf the Wight? ;- )
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01-05-2002, 01:36 AM | #11 |
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I'll bet they wear wighty-tighty's
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"We will have peace","Yes we will have peace...we will have peace when you and all your works have perished - and the works of your dark lord to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar,Saruman,and a corrupter of men's hearts. You hold out your hand to me and I percieve only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just - as it was not,for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine, for your own profit you desired-even so, what will you say of your Torches in westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Hama's body before the gates of Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanc. So much for the House of Eorl. A lesser son of greater Sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewither for I fear your voice has lost it's charm. |
01-05-2002, 01:58 PM | #12 |
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Thier name is a funny thing, I always imagined them as black not wight...
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01-05-2002, 04:11 PM | #13 |
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According to Thomas Paine's "The Wights of Man", every wight has the wight to choose its own name.
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01-05-2002, 04:17 PM | #14 |
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FrodoFriend, I believe that your are wight on that...
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01-05-2002, 06:33 PM | #15 |
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You know what guys?
You´re all a wight for sore eyes!!
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01-05-2002, 07:19 PM | #16 |
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I am considering that Elrond wasn't Wight about the Wight's names.
Do you think that the Barrow-Wight's were left or wight handed? |
01-05-2002, 07:51 PM | #17 |
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I believe I speak wightly when I say that I doubt anyone has ever considered it before.
Maybe Elrond *was* mistaken. Why would anyone bother to make other wight names? After all, you know what they say: Out of wight, out of mind.
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01-06-2002, 03:49 PM | #18 |
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Or maybe he meant different names in different languages.
I.E. Gandalf had 'many names in many tongues' He could have said 'The Ringwraiths we know by many names' in which case he would have been referring to Ulairi, Nazgul, etc. That's likely what it is.
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01-06-2002, 11:46 PM | #19 |
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Well, now, if we're talking about names for the Nazgul/Ringewraiths, the only one really individualized is the head Nazgul, also known as the "Witch King of Angmar". Also, in the Silmarillion, three of the Nazgul/Ulari are said to be "great lords of Numenorean race".
As for the Barrow-Wights, no names are listed, only that they were evil spirits who had inhabited the Witch Kingdom of Angmar and invaded the barrows/crypts of the Kings and Lords of the Northern Kingdom, coming down from Angmar and Carn Dum.
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01-07-2002, 08:28 PM | #20 |
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I was, uh, using the different names of he Ulairi as an example of how the wights could be 'known by many names'.
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