11-16-2004, 05:37 PM | #261 |
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Please forgive me insisting on us all using the same definitions of the same words.
bigot - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. racist - 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. These words mean specific things. They also have high emotional content. Let's not use them for mere emotional reasons. |
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11-16-2004, 05:48 PM | #263 | |
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Interesting fact. Strom Thurmond added a rider to the civil rights act so that it also applied to women, thinking hoping that would kill the bill. Don't forget the sexist aspect, too. A black women is just going to have more automatic votes against her, period. Got to run, but I'll be back in a few hours.
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11-16-2004, 05:50 PM | #264 |
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Well, words are important. Here we are at a literary website. We should have a care for the language, don't you all agree?
In what way is saying the former slave states voted for Bush a racist statement? It's just true. |
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Here we have Cirdan talking about the 60's and what happened there. You know I think liberals basically just want to keep the race issue alive - because it gives them something to run on.
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I do not see the relation between my question "What is racist about saying former slave states voted for Bush", and your answer that the civil war ended 140 years ago and the liberals are keeping the race issue alive. Are you saying that liberals are racist for keeping the issue alive, because I see no discrimination or prejudice based on race, which is the definition.
How about if maybe it just isn't racist? Maybe people are using that word for sheer emotional content, not because it means anything. |
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I would like to see all this talk of "the slave states" and so forth just stop. They haven't been slave states for 140 years. And I do NOT think that Condoleeza Rice would be a problem in the south.
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So do you think she would have gotten an equal percentage of votes as Bush did if she had been running against Kerry? Her political opinions and Bush's are essentially identical.
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Most people do NOT know what her positions are issues. So we will see. Her moving into the Secretary of State position and then into VP (if that happens) makes her far more visible to the public.
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11-16-2004, 06:35 PM | #270 |
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i guess what im getting at is do you think her race and sex would play ABSOLUTELY NO PART in how residents of the south would vote? Or no more so then people in say Ohio? Or Arizona?
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Oh - and no one was talking about race and sex playing NO part - they were making a general biggotted statement about republicans and the south in general.
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I can understand saying that, because Illinois and Ohio are shown in red, and they were not slave states, then it invalidates the parallel that has been drawn. And if that's what you're saying, I gotcha. But how is any of this "racist"? |
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11-16-2004, 06:57 PM | #273 |
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Well, I think you may be right that some Democrats are bigotted against Republicans. I've heard them use words like "evil" and "slantbrow" and mention pickup trucks and gunracks. That sort of thing isn't allowed here, I've been told. On the other hand, we are elitists, we have our heads in the sand, and we sip lattes, or so I'm told. Never mind that my Republican co-workers sip lattes. I am not sure their heads are above ground either.
But bigotry usually is used to refer to a way of talking about a minority in order to oppress them. The Normans were the first bigots when they suppressed the Saxons. It isn't used to describe overly generalized statements about the majority. I think biggot and racist must be talking point words of the day from Sean or Bill. Can anyone tell us if Sean and Bill are saying those two words a lot today? |
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Um...Illinois went blue...I thought.
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The other thing I mentioned was was Carole Simpson from ABC said during the media roundtable - I'm sure you didn't see it. But I heard it on C-SPAN.
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We do know that most black voters will not vote for any Republican. You'll have to get all the racists out of your party before they will be convinced. Need I name the racists who hold public office who are Republicans? One liberal said "triumph of the stupid" on TV. Dumb word. It means they were in a stupor. How could they vote if they were in a stupor? I think she's wrong. Are we all elitists because she's a TV liberal? Many of us have deeper apprecition for our neighbors than that. Republicans are my co-workers. They didn't win anything this year except apparently the Presidency. The ones who work with me from the next state north are hoping they have the governor's office. They aren't evil or stupid. They are misguided. |
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How about "refusing to allow others the enjoyment of their opinions, rights, or worship"? Sounds like opperssion to me. Seriously, I think to be a bigot you have to espouse some action to stop another person from being different from you. It's not enough just to disagree. But I think the right is enjoying changing the definitions of these important words. It isn't racism to oppose Condi's appointment. It isn't racist to ask if the Klansmen in the south have enough power to take votes away from the Republicans if they run a black candidate. These are just questions. I think people fear the answers and that is why they want to characterize the question in order to avoid it. |
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