10-29-2004, 04:30 PM | #1 |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
New bin Ladin Video Tape
A tape was just released to Al Jazeera directed at American citizens, supposedly explaining 9/11 and how it was not the plan to destroy the towers - but just to make a point. It also says if we stop the fighting - he will not attack us - that our security is in American citizen's hands - not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or Al Qaeda.
He also supposedly critizes Bush and compares him to Arab leaders who restrict the freedom of their people. Who thinks it's important what bin Ladin has to really say? I find it rather funny (strange) that he's saying how he wants to explain his position on 9/11. I have a feeling he is trying to catch us off guard, trying to make it seem like "hey we can all get along" - while he intends to attack us anyway. I don't really think it's important what he says to us at all.
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
10-29-2004, 04:39 PM | #2 |
High King at Annuminas Administrator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wyoming - USA
Posts: 10,752
|
How odd...
I wonder if he's feeling desperate, for some reason...
__________________
My Fanfic: Letters of Firiel Tales of Nolduryon Visitors Come to Court Ñ á ë ?* ó ú é ä ï ö Ö ñ É Þ ð ß ® ™ [Xurl=Xhttp://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=ABCXYZ#postABCXYZ]text[/Xurl] Splitting Threads is SUCH Hard Work!! |
10-29-2004, 04:40 PM | #3 |
Warrior of the House of Hador
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,651
|
To be honest I don't think this will change many people's view on him. He still planned to knock down the Towers, whatever he says and of course he'll attack if America stop fighting. Although many people were against the War on Terrorism I think they'll be against moving American troops out of Afghanistan. They'll probably have the 'we started a job, so we'll have to finish it' attitude.
__________________
Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
10-29-2004, 04:43 PM | #4 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
CNN isn't proposing it as a tape of deseperation though - they of course are saying that it's a tape that shows that he is alive and that Bush's efforts haven't worked. But he's declared that his ultimate goal is the destruction of the west over and over again - that is his only goal. And now he's trying to basically say that if we lay down our arms - he will not attack anymore. yeah right.
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
|
10-29-2004, 04:48 PM | #5 |
Warrior of the House of Hador
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,651
|
I think he know's that America won't just abandon there arms though, so it'd be interesting to see what he does if they did. I don't think he'd be expecting that.
__________________
Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
10-29-2004, 05:03 PM | #6 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol
Posts: 3,114
|
A clear and pathetic attempt to influence the election especially after all the propaganda about destroying the West. Anyone else old enough to remember the similar attempt over Carter vs REagan and the hostages in Iran under As-sa-hole-a what-was-his-nama(Khourmaare roughe?)
Now, if I have the PURPORTED logic it goes: We will destroy the evil West We DID the Two Towers We MEANT to do the TWO Towers WE ARE NOT SORRY WE DID THE TWO TOWERS we did them because of BUSH DON'T re-elect him and (fingers crossed behind his back) we won't be naughty WE STILL MEAN TO DESTROY THE WEST Let's see, Clinton refuse ABL on 3 occasions offered by Libya, BUSH is elected, the TWO TOWERS are "accidentally" destroyed to make a point NOW that adds up for Islamic terrorists, but DO they really think every one is as inane as they? I note for emphasis that Dan (I'D) Rather (have it my way, just ignore the facts) broke the stroy on CBS. Another credibility issue... .
__________________
Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941 |
10-29-2004, 05:13 PM | #7 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
|
10-29-2004, 09:29 PM | #8 |
Domesticated Swing Babe
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Reality
Posts: 5,340
|
I shouldn't have read this sumary of what he said! Anyway, I'm not going to let that jerk influence me ...so I'll just vote the way I was planning. All this last minute election freaking and mind gaming (local and national) is way over the top....I've just decided to ignore it all. I probably won't be able to watch the local news for awhile....the commercials are relentless! But..back to topic...the last person I'm letting "in my head" is that scumball.
|
10-29-2004, 10:40 PM | #9 |
Quasi Evil
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 4,634
|
who cares what he says hes a terrorist
__________________
"People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." |
10-30-2004, 07:01 AM | #10 | ||
Co-President of Entmoot
Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,397
|
Yeah, you can trust him to keep his word not to attack about as far as you can throw a grand piano.
That is the ultimate lame attempt of someone who has no part in American elections trying to influence them. *watches as JD single-handedly tracks down Bin Laden and arrests him* But seriously, I don't think anyone will take heed of what he has to say because he is a terrorist and is not to be trusted.
__________________
"I can add some more, if you'd like it. Calling your Chief Names, Wishing to Punch his Pimply Face, and Thinking you Shirriffs look a lot of Tom-fools." - Sam Gamgee, p. 340, Return of the King Quote:
Quote:
|
||
10-30-2004, 07:31 AM | #11 |
Mirthful Maiden
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rivendell
Posts: 1,252
|
Exactly, obviously he's not to be trusted and he doesn't influence my opinion.
My only hope is that other ignorant, influential peolpe won't take heed.
__________________
The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men.~ J.R.R. Tolkien Wanna play? www.thievesguild.com |
10-30-2004, 07:32 AM | #12 |
Warrior of the House of Hador
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,651
|
Maybe he thinks he's given America a chance to stop this so he won't be to blame if everything blows up and World War 3 starts. I don't think anyone believes him though.
__________________
Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
10-30-2004, 08:04 AM | #13 | ||
Co-President of Entmoot
Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,397
|
In my opinion, you'd really have to be dumber than a sack of hammers to trust what Bin Laden says. No offence intended to anyone who is dumber than a sack of hammers.
EDIT: spelling shmelling
__________________
"I can add some more, if you'd like it. Calling your Chief Names, Wishing to Punch his Pimply Face, and Thinking you Shirriffs look a lot of Tom-fools." - Sam Gamgee, p. 340, Return of the King Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by Nurvingiel : 10-31-2004 at 02:07 AM. |
||
10-30-2004, 11:01 AM | #14 |
Mirthful Maiden
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rivendell
Posts: 1,252
|
lol Nurv the sad thing is exactly that, some people aren't aware enough to use their common sense, no offense intended.
Though I doubt there are that many who'd listen to him.
__________________
The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men.~ J.R.R. Tolkien Wanna play? www.thievesguild.com |
10-31-2004, 11:19 AM | #15 |
The Blobbit
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...)
Posts: 1,596
|
So. Poor Sweden, eh. What a nice endorsement.
Naturally, there has been outcry from agrieved states. 'What have we done wrong?' cries Iceland, as Denmark blames that European soccer thing they won in 1992... Seems like a favour to Bush to me. Nice little 6 point lead in the polls. However, I would say that it is not a case of clever play on behalf of bin Laden. Terrorism isn't that aware.
__________________
Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton. |
10-31-2004, 01:39 PM | #16 |
Warrior of the House of Hador
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,651
|
Bin Laden obviously wants Bush to be president as he knows that Kerry might pull American forces out of Iraq and Afghanistan where they are dying daily.
__________________
Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
10-31-2004, 01:49 PM | #17 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 10-31-2004 at 01:53 PM. |
|
10-31-2004, 01:58 PM | #18 |
Warrior of the House of Hador
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,651
|
Not sure you understand me. I think he want's Bsh to be re-elected because he won't pull American forces out of Iraq and Afghanistan whereas it's more likely that Kerry will.
__________________
Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
10-31-2004, 02:04 PM | #19 |
The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: trondheim, norway
Posts: 1,388
|
in my opinion, bush is an extremly low-inteligent person.
but this video from bin Laden is ridicoulus. i don't believe what he says, but there is a chance it is true. isn't it? i think so. but what his meqaning with this is,, bin Laden, i don't get.
__________________
Don't Panic! |
10-31-2004, 02:05 PM | #20 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
Also - us pulling out will just reinforce what he has said over and over again. You give Americans a bloody nose - and we leave. His opinion after dealing with Clinton is - "When the going gets tough - the Americans leave". As long as he can get public opinion to turn against the war - he is winning. That is why aid workers, iraqi security forces, children receiving candy are being targeted. Our soldiers are hardly being targeted. It's why in Afganistan three UN election workers have been kidnapped and are being threatened with beheading unless British and we leave. That doesn't sound like someone who wants us to stay. [edit - His goal is also to intimidate our allies and make them leave. it worked with Spain, they're trying to with Britain (British citizen who was against the war, helping iraqis, iraqi citizen, lived in iraq for 30 years - only thing against her - her dual citizenship with Britain), trying it with Japan, trying it with companies who are providing supplies for rebuilding Iraq, etc.
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 10-31-2004 at 02:09 PM. |
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Video Game | Curubethion | C.S. Lewis | 5 | 12-12-2005 06:28 PM |
Video Game Forum | Anglorfin | Entertainment Forum | 42 | 04-24-2004 05:06 AM |
Suggested video for Tolkien Fans | bropous | Lord of the Rings Books | 1 | 01-20-2002 05:53 PM |