10-13-2004, 03:09 PM | #1 | ||
Co-President of Entmoot
Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,397
|
[EDIT by Eärniel: This thread is a split off from the Official US president election thread. Feel free to discuss here the benefits and downsides of dual citizenship in and outside the US.]
What if your mom was Canadian and your dad was American? How should you choose your country? (It's not quite as simple as the one you live in - you have equal ties to both your parents countries.) I don't know how Carrey got US citizenship. I don't think you should be able to randomly apply for it, that takes away from people who really need it like refugees. Given that we only had a 60-65% voter turn out in our elections, I doubt that people would go to a great deal of trouble just to vote in someone else's elections. However, there's nothing wrong with dual citizenship in itself, only the abuse of this priviledge. EDIT: Cross-post with JD and inked.
__________________
"I can add some more, if you'd like it. Calling your Chief Names, Wishing to Punch his Pimply Face, and Thinking you Shirriffs look a lot of Tom-fools." - Sam Gamgee, p. 340, Return of the King Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by Earniel : 10-14-2004 at 06:44 PM. |
||
10-13-2004, 03:16 PM | #2 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
If Carrey wants to be American - and live in this country as a US citizen - he shouldn't keep his Canadian citizenship. I see absolutely NO USE to dual citizenship whatsoever - other than people just wanting to have an influence in two countries.
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
|
10-14-2004, 06:37 AM | #3 | |
The Intermittent One
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: here and there
Posts: 4,671
|
Quote:
which means that i used to be able to just go between two countries, to visit my family in Cork, or for whatever reason... that was my purpose for dual citizenship. of course the new laws mean I don't need a passport to go to ireland anyway now, nor does any other resident of uk but i can see a point to dual citizenship in that if half your family is from one country, you don't have to bother with visas etc for an extended stay, are the border-laws between usa and canada such that you don't need a visa, or a passport, then? |
|
10-14-2004, 01:10 PM | #4 | |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Free, happy, drunk and sincere
Posts: 346
|
Quote:
I too also have dual citizenship. I have Eire (Ireland for the rest of ya) and Australian. And I agree. I dont have my dual citizenship to screw people around and steal tourist's ash trays and such. [EDIT: Flame bait removed by Eärniel. Flame baiting is not allowed on the Entmoot, Fenir. Please remember that in the future.] Yes people, and for you lot in the cheap seats, this is Fenir the faithful and, rather drunk, throwing his hat into the political ring, once again.
__________________
Audaces fortuna juvat Last edited by Earniel : 10-14-2004 at 05:41 PM. |
|
10-14-2004, 03:18 PM | #5 |
Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Not where I want to be ...
Posts: 15,254
|
and flame-baiting, once again
Shall I call Ireland a "rather un-important" country? The state I'm from (California) trounces Ireland size-wise and income-wise. I think California's gross national product (if we were a country) is 6th in the world. I don't think Ireland is a "rather un-important" country, because I'm more broadminded than that. (I'm also part Irish!) C'mon, Fenir - give us good, fun, and/or insightful comments - please don't flame-bait
__________________
. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 10-14-2004 at 03:20 PM. |
10-14-2004, 04:04 PM | #6 | ||||
Co-President of Entmoot
Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,397
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
"I can add some more, if you'd like it. Calling your Chief Names, Wishing to Punch his Pimply Face, and Thinking you Shirriffs look a lot of Tom-fools." - Sam Gamgee, p. 340, Return of the King Quote:
Quote:
|
||||
10-15-2004, 12:01 AM | #7 |
the Shrike
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: San Francisco, CA <3
Posts: 10,647
|
I have no problem with dual citizenship. Don't really have much else to add. A question I wanted to ask though, as I'm not sure whether this is true or not, but if you have US citizenship, and you wanted say NZ citizenship, do you renounce the US one? Or are you not allowed to renounce US citizenship? For some reason I had this idea that you're not... but I'm sure that can't be right.
__________________
"Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords |
10-15-2004, 02:30 AM | #8 |
King of Nargothrond
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Canada! eh?
Posts: 2,002
|
Being able to work without the hassle f a green card is nice...And especially in the case of actors, with the actor's guild and all that jazz...
__________________
"THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!" |
10-15-2004, 07:03 AM | #9 | ||
Entmoot Attorney-General,
Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 3,891
|
Quote:
Quote:
I also got a Russian friend who's going to get her Swedish citizenship soon. I think it would be so mean if someone told her she had to give up being Russian because of that. I don't see why people have a problem with dual citizenships. Why not allow them and make some people happy?
__________________
An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻ |
||
10-15-2004, 07:14 AM | #10 | |
The Intermittent One
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: here and there
Posts: 4,671
|
Quote:
and that is a trend in many societies, but the advent of christianity, and later islam, put a stop to all that, and mutliple religions becam socially wrong. In a way, muliple religions is a sort of insurance policy, >oh dear, i forgot to pray to god a > i know, i will pray to god b, and his religion will help me today etc etc slightly off topic, but i had to answer |
|
10-15-2004, 03:54 PM | #11 |
Enting
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 90
|
I've got dual Citizanship because my Mum is CAnadian and my Dad is American. Canada recognizes both and America...well...what can I say I was born in America therefore I am an American
__________________
Audio Editor |
10-15-2004, 04:02 PM | #12 | ||
Co-President of Entmoot
Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 8,397
|
Hey Dawningoftime, you could be my example! What's it like having dual citizenship? I guess it doesn't really affect your day to day life, am I correct?
By the way, many thanks to Earniel for sorting out this thread!
__________________
"I can add some more, if you'd like it. Calling your Chief Names, Wishing to Punch his Pimply Face, and Thinking you Shirriffs look a lot of Tom-fools." - Sam Gamgee, p. 340, Return of the King Quote:
Quote:
|
||
10-15-2004, 04:18 PM | #13 |
Enting
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 90
|
Right it doesn't affect my everyday life, but what's nice is that when I was looking for colleges I had the option of looking at schools in Canada and going there as a Canadian citizan. Now that I'm looking for a professional job I can look in Canada, but not worry about having to get a green card to work there.
__________________
Audio Editor |
10-15-2004, 05:02 PM | #14 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
|
10-15-2004, 05:06 PM | #15 |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
I only have one thing to say here - because i have said it - I AM AGAINST DUAL CITIZENSHIP. if you want to be a part of a country - then be a part of it - if not then don't. if you have extended family - then they should have a partial citizen category then - that allows you to come to the country to visit during extended stays but does NOT allow you to vote or have a say in the government.
I stil have my house in Indiana - I am UNABLE to vote in the elections there - so what gives a foreiger a right to just have a US citizenship along with another country and vote in two countries' elections?
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 10-15-2004 at 05:08 PM. |
10-15-2004, 05:16 PM | #16 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
Also - she's still Russian - just like I'm still Italian, Irish, Polish, Czech and Russian - those are where my ancestors came from. I still have their blood running through my veins - but I'm American.
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 10-15-2004 at 05:18 PM. |
|
10-15-2004, 06:05 PM | #17 | ||
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Since Earniel didn't carry over the post I wrote which started this whole discussion I'll post it here....
Quote:
So you think it's right for someone to merely become a citizen so they can vote in their elections? How would Canada feel if a bunch of Americans decided to get dual citizenship so we can vote in your elections - especially if they were republicans?
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 10-15-2004 at 06:09 PM. |
||
10-15-2004, 08:39 PM | #18 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Durham, England
Posts: 694
|
Well I know some dual citizens that feel passionately about being able their status, but I don't really understand that sentiment to be honest. For me it's a bit like which lane you drive a car in: choose one or the other, just don't straddle two!
Of course, it's easy for me, there just being one country in the world that brews decent beer AND plays proper sport. If Belgium gets a rugby league team or Australia starts brewing Real Ale, it gets a whole lot more complex for me!
__________________
I'm beset by self-doubt ....or am I? |
10-15-2004, 10:38 PM | #19 |
Enting
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 90
|
With my dual citizanship I still have to be registered by the time I am 28 (and there's no problem with that) and I have to have a substantianl connection to Canada or live there for one year. What makes a person an American citizanship is you were born in the States, one of your parents is American, or they have been naturalized. It's the same way in Canada. My substansial connection is my family.
__________________
Audio Editor |
10-16-2004, 12:14 AM | #20 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plainsboro, NJ
Posts: 9,431
|
Quote:
__________________
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
heat;h care in america | LuthienTinuviel | General Messages | 96 | 04-16-2007 02:02 PM |
The Official US President Election Thread | Insidious Rex | General Messages | 896 | 11-05-2004 03:41 PM |
America the Proud? | Diaxion | General Messages | 214 | 09-10-2003 12:08 AM |