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An here's the rest of the poem:
When dawn came dim the land was lost, The mountains sinking grey Beyond the heaving waves that tossed Their plumes of blinding spray Íre ára néca tulle vanwa né i nórë, Oronti sindë sintala I falmar rúmala pella i falastaner Wingintar rosso silma "When dawn dim came lost was the land Mountains grey fading The waves heaving beyond the shores Their foam of spray glinting." Amroth beheld the fading shores Now low beyond the swell And cursed the faithless ship that bore Him far from Nimrodel Amroth cennë i sintala falasser S* falmar tumnë pello Ar sancë ramanë cirya úvorondan I collë eryë Nimrodello "Amroth saw the fading shores Now waves deep beyond And hateful he shouted to the ship un-faithful That bore him from Nimrodel" Of old he was an Elven-king, A lord of tree and glen, When golden were the boughs in spring In fair Lothlórien. Yalúmessen aran quendion né[s], Heru aldo ar nando Írë laurëa nér i olwar tuliessë Mi Lothlórien vanima "In former times a king of elves [he] was A lord of tree and of valley When golden were the boughs in spring Within Lothlórien fair" From helm to sea they saw him leap, As arrow from the string, And dive into the water deep As mew upon the wing Ciryallo ëarenna cennentes halta Vë pilin ho i quinga Ar vánë mir i nén tumna Vë limba rámanna "From ship into sea they saw him leap Like an arrow from the bow And he passed into the water deep Like drop upon a wing" The wind was in his flowing hair, The foam about him shone Afar they saw him strong and fair Go riding like a swan I súre né mi findesse úlëarya I wingë topela eryë sillë Vahaia cennentes tuo* ar vanima Ve alqua ninquë vánë "The wind was within his flowing hair The foam covering him shone Far away they saw him strong and fair Like a swan white passing" But from the West has come no word And on the Hither Shore No tidings Elven-folk have heard Of Amroth evermore. Nan Númello ú-quetta utúlië Ar i Entarassë Oialë ú-vinyar i Eldalië Ahlárië Amrotho "But from West no word has been heard And in the Thither Lands Forever no news Elven-folk Have heard of Amroth"
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Vanima. Nan:
....Írë laurëa nér i olwar tuliessë Mi Lothlórien vanima ....When golden were the boughs in spring Within Lothlórien fair" Shouldn't golden be plural?
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Indeed, should be laurië.
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Amroth cennë i sintala falasser
S* falmar tumnë pello Ar sancë ramanë cirya úvorondan I collë eryë Nimrodello. Is it falassi?
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man nooresse ilyaquen naa?
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Isn't _ilquen_ better for 'everybody' (and wouldn't naa then become naar)?
Naan sinomë, mal ilquen naar s*vëa...
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Question from a non-speaker of Elvish: lists of Kings of Arnor and Gondor... are they in Quenya or Sindarin? I had thought the latter, but was told that 'Valandil' (first king in Arnor after Isildur) is Quenya. Or is it a mixed bag? Is there a clear point of change, if they're in BOTH languages? Are some of the names meant to be Westron, which I don't think JRRT totally developed?
Where is the best place to start with roots of words... for instance, to create names in a similar vein? The index at the back of Silmarillion?
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Your name, Valandil means "Vala-friend" in Quenya. "Arnor" means "royal land" in Quenya. "Isildur" means "moon servant" in Quenya. As for other names, I can't be sure of the answer. I'd like to say that important names were Quenya... being "High Elvish", as the Atani like to say. |
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*hopes 'Atan' isn't TOO condescending, since Ruinel has now called him by this twice today... understands the denotation is 'man' - but wonders if connotation is along the lines of 'little one' or 'grasshopper'*
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Oh, good this thread has resurfaced again. I just happen to have two things I want to ask the experts.
The first one would be the origin of the name 'Nimrodel'. The Elf or the river, I don't remember which was named first. 'nim' I take it refers to white. But it's the other part of the name that I can't figure out. As for my second question, is 'maew' an elfish word for gull? I can't for my life remember where I picked it up (I can't seem to be able to find it in the indexes in my books either) but the idea is very persistant.
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Nimrodel... from the back of the Silmarillion... nim = white, but this must be Sindarin because 'white' in Quenya is ninquë. Nimrodel means.. "Lady of the White Grotto". The river was named after her. |
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Thank you!
I still don't know where I got 'maew' from but at least I got it right.
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I need some assistance. Has anyone run across a word that would satisfy the word 'alliance'? As in the 'Alliance of Men and Elves'.
I'm trying to complete this sentence... Carë cilmelya an Cáno i [alliance] an Atani ar Quendi. |
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Ruinel, as for alliance, I looked up the entymology (?) and it apparently comes from "to bind". Upon searching the wordlists, I found:
BIND (see TIE); in more abstract sense: avalerya- (make fast, restrain, deprive of liberty) TIE nut- (1st person aorst nutin "I tie") Then looking at Quenya affixes, I found: -ë combined with lengthening of the stem-vowel is used to derive what is properly verbal nouns. Sometimes the sense of the derived words drifts from pure abstract to the more concrete, denoting an object or phenomenon that is produced by the corresponding verb: nut- "tie", nútë "knot" (etymologically *"tying?"), lir- "sing", *l*rë "song" (etymologically *"singing"; the word is asterisked because it is only attested in the instrumental case: l*rinen); cf. also s*rë "river" (etymologically "flowing") from sir- "flow". This method of derivation seems to be limited to basic verbal stems of the pattern (consonant-)vowel-consonant. But the ending -ë may also be used to derive abstract nouns from adjectives in -a: aira "holy", airë "sanctity" (PM:363). In fact, that example gives "knot". Perhaps this would work? Other abstract endings are -le, -me, -ie... Fixed the spacing! ALSO- Valandil, all the names are in fact Quenya.
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