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12-25-2003, 02:27 AM | #142 |
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I saw it again tonight. The second viewing was just as good, except I knew what was coming up. The movie was still great though. I got to pay more attention to the detail. There are a lot of little things in this movie. They really paid attention to detail well.
Someone mentioned "how did Frodo get his shirt back after his clothes were taken?" It's a simple answer, if you notice they were going through his clothes in the same tower he was prisoner in, actually just feet away from him. Then the fight ensued over his mithril mail. It's obvious enough that his shirt was there when Sam set him free... With this viewing, like I said, I was able to appreciate the little things more than I either missed or glanced over, such as little architectual details and even details in the dialogue. I am still amazed at how quickly the movie went. It certainly does not feel like it is 3 hours 20 minutes. One of the people I went with tonight looked at her watch and it was 2 1/2 hours into the movie. She was surprised and said it felt like only a few minutes
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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Even in the book, Saruman had stirred up the Dunlendings to fight with the orcs against Rohan. The Woses, or 'Druaden' (SP?) lived SE of Rohan - in the forest at the east end of the White Mountains, which was really then between Rohan and Gondor - so they were at the opposite end of Rohan from the Dunlendings. Last edited by Valandil : 12-25-2003 at 02:46 AM. |
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12-25-2003, 03:10 AM | #144 | |
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The Woses are also known as the Pukel men. Remember Ghan-Buri-Ghan? He was one of them. They helped the Rohirrim get to Gondor safely, via the Stonewain Valley pass, which avoided the Open Road and Orc Encampments...
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen Last edited by Dúnedain : 12-25-2003 at 03:11 AM. |
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12-25-2003, 11:26 AM | #145 |
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It was awsome! I loved almost everything in it! I loved some of the Gimli Lines, like "that only counts as one!" and one of my favorites: "sertanty of death, small chance of succes, what are we waiting for?" I didn't much like the meating of Pippon and Denathor (sp?) and I didn't like it when Gandalf hit Denathor when he was yelling about dieing in the way that fit you best, because I never pictured that as a comic releaf seen in the book, and I don't think that they should have done that in the movie, they should have cept more serias. I wasn't able to cach alot the first time I saw it, but the second and third I saw alot more, dosn't it go really fast? I cried in a couple of places, and of course I hated the sceen with Sam and Rose, I got geliouse! However, the sceen with Sam talking to Frodo about Rose I don't mind as much, I'm always so sad in that sceen, because of everything, even though I know that they really arn't gonna be stuck on Mount Doom, and I know that they will get back to Hobbiton, I still get really sad and all from that sceen! That's all for now!
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Okay, firstly, a few things I was a bit surprised and disappointed to not see:
1. Gandalf's Confrontation with the Witch-King. 2. Cirdan. 3. Frodo's moment of towering over Gollum. 4. There's more, but it was several hours ago. That said, overall, I liked it. I came with less expectation, and I was pleasantly surprised. IMO, it was the best of the three, by itself; it tended not to use cliche so much as the previous two, and the moment with Pippin's song was well done (though of course, minus the butchering of Denethor, and I didn't especially like the tomato-blood). Surprisingly enough, I think Gollum playing Frodo against Sam was relatively well done, though I think the line should have been drawn before sending Sam home. Overall, I definitely enjoyed this more than TTT, and probably than FOTR. I really started blinking when Frodo said, "...but not for me"! Overall, I probably give this a low A (not A- yet) as a movie, and a C+ as an adaptation.
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12-25-2003, 05:02 PM | #147 |
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So to start with the good:
1) I liked Minas Tirith 2) The battle scenes were good (except from Legolas...) 3) The hobbits 4) Theoden's part 5) Minas Morgul I disliked: 1)When entering the paths of the dead (Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli) the horses flee in terror. I think that PJ should emphasize the loyalty of those horses. 2)Denethor eating 3)I missed Mouth of Sauron 4)I think PJ presented Faramir weaker than he is. 5)Reduced the power of the Nazgul since Mery and Eowyn don't seem to suffer much (Mery even goes to the black gate to fight) 6) The palantir thrown in the water 7)on March 6 Dunedain and Elladan and Elrohir don't show up (Aragorn doesn't get the banner) And... I hated: 1)Gandalf beating up Denethor 2)Arwen-scenes (especially the one with the baby ) 3)The Scouring of Shire missing 4)Frodo sending away Sam Anyway, despite these I really enjoyed the movie |
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I saw it. Again. And loved it. Again.
I really dislike "Frodo the Cliffhanger"!! And some other important details did make me a bit angry.. Or, mostly, I just laughed.. But in the big whole, it was really good! I loved the horses, and the way the elves moved. But I expected the ships to be much larger! Guess I misunderstood in the book... But, I'm glad PJ made the movies and no one else. He's successful. I want to see it again!!
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I saw the ROTK yesterday. I am still numb, so my review will be brief. I loved it and it fulfilled my expectations. I still think the FOTR is my favourite, but the ROTK is much better than TTT.
Surprisingly, I didn't mind many of the changes. Frodo sending Sam away actually worked, although I would have preferred if PJ had stuck to the book. I didn't miss Saruman, but again it would have been good if he and Grima were in the movie. The only thing that really annoyed me was Gandalf repeatedly hitting Denethor -- why PJ needed to resort to violence when words would have been better is beyond me. Sean Astin deserves an oscar for his performance. Sam has always been my favourite character in the books, and I am thankful that Sean did such a fantastic job. Some things threw me because I'd pictured them differently in my imagination. I thought Mordor would be more red in colour. I didn't imagine that Bilbo looked so old, or that Frodo was completely covered in Shelob's cords. The ending left me a bit dissapointed. I wish Sam and Rosie lived in Bag End. I was sad PJ didn't have Sam as Frodo's heir. Maybe Lobelia got Bag End. So many times in the movie I wanted to punch my fist in the air or jump up and down. And so many times I had a big smile on my face. I can't wait to see it again.
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After the fact, I told him it was not part of the story at all and I had no idea why it was put in either. He commented that it was probably the director's way of "making his mark on the story" since it wasn't his to begin with... and that the "yes men" probably told him what a great addition it was even though it stunk. It was great that he said all of this on his own. I had never discussed my displeasure with how the movies had been changed at all. |
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12-27-2003, 01:10 AM | #154 |
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ohhhh i agree with Cass i am still numb, all you lucky buggers have had it for like a week and a half and we only got it yesterday, best be quick gotta get my third fix soon...
i didnt mind Gandalf hitting Denethor in those parts because it was a spur of the moment thing Gandalf couldnt have stopped Denethor in the few seconds it would take for disorder amongst the soldiers so he beat him, works for me did anyone else notice it but does Gamling threaten to "Kick Pippins arse" when he spills the drink on him, and did the storyboard artist make an appearance as a Gondorian soldier? a few great moments - Aragorn to the hobbits "you bow to no one" - Sam carrying frodo oooops gotta go
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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It was fortunate that I didn't come in with extremely high expectations, and that I had read the spoilers in advance. I had watery eyes in some scenes, because it was wonderful to actually see on the screen the more emotional parts of the book- Denethor admitting that he favoured Boromir, Sam carrying Frodo and everyone bowing to the Hobbits. It also pleased me to see the story of how Sméagol got the Ring- it's one of my favourite parts of the Prologue. (I have some strange fascination with the Prologue). I also enjoyed reciting 'All that is gold does not glitter...' with Arwen. I have to say that Frodo looked really weird wrapped up in Shelob's webs, though. |
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