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11-18-2003, 11:39 PM | #22 | ||
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Here is something interesting. I was just reading some info on Tuor and Idril and then that went into the marriages between Man and Elf thus producing "half-elven" offspring. Check this out:
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So when you look at it in a more technical sense, thus being done by the geography of the region and where both Imrazôr and Mithrellas were, it makes good sense that it is likely that they did cross paths and thus this story does make sense
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11-19-2003, 07:44 AM | #23 |
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Technically though *uh-hum - throat-clearing sound* Rohan was not to be established north of the White Mountains for another 500-odd years. That area was then the province of Calenardhon - a part of Gondor!
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11-19-2003, 11:11 AM | #24 |
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Amazing how the various elements of Tolkien's world mesh and work together. No wonder he spent so much time pondering on it. It's like one of those fractal-diagrams that, the deeper you look into it, the more detail you find.
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11-19-2003, 12:44 PM | #25 | |
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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11-26-2003, 11:37 PM | #26 |
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The only explanation I can come up with is that the "lore" comes in with the actual story. Not whether Imrahil and his line carry Elven blood, but whether it happened the way the 'story' states. Legolas' prompt acknowledgement removes all doubt about the presence of Elven blood.
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(I figure it must be another person, Galadriel wouldn't cheat on Celeborn.)
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12-07-2003, 05:09 AM | #28 | |
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Tolkien wrote more than one version of the history of Celeborn and Galadriel. At one stage they had a son named Amroth. It's all in the UT.
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12-07-2003, 12:11 PM | #29 |
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In the other version, Amroth was the original King of Lothlorien; he was also Nimrodel's lover, and was killed trying to go back and find her. See "Lothlorien" and other places.
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Ah. Thanks Artanis and Attalus, that clears that little mystery up!
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