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By the way - if what is true about what I have seen on the Prisoner of Azkaban thread and Hemione is wearing lowriders - I WILL have a problem with the movie. Just like I had a problem with the ridiculous Disney The Black Cauldron. Chronicles of Prydain is what got me into reading and I was highly upset by the movie. If you want me to go over all the movies I think were dumbed down from the books- I will. We're discussing Tolkien - I wasn't aware that I had to list all the movies I have NOT liked where I had read the books.
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11-17-2003, 07:47 PM | #122 | |
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The scenes that were strictly animated (without "drawn over" live shots) was not too bad, Although somethings were still not animated well. [elves in particular, they seem too bright (for lack of a better term) compared to their surroundings] I agree with you that PJ&co. got much of the scenery, clothing, music, and setting details very well. I will disagree to the degree that PJ&co. succeeded in adapting LOTR to film. got to go for now.
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However, you do have a point because Jackson's adaptation of Tolkien gets criticized a lot more than other book to movie adaptations. I criticize the Harry Potter movies for not being true to the book a lot more than I do LotR. LotR has some themes and scenes that I would have changed, but overall it's a good adaptation. Harry Potter movies are the opposite - it has scenes I would keep but is largely inaccurate. Cheers! N. edit: post #777! Sweet!
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11-18-2003, 01:07 PM | #125 |
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And I bet the character of Kate in Timeline will be totally botched.
All I'm saying is, all movies botch all books. Get over it. Just because some people here don't care about Phillip K. Dick doesn't mean it isn't relevant. The fact that they didn't even use the title shows how little respect they have for him. But just because Tolkien is more popular doesn't mean he's more important or more sacred than PKD. And one other thing. Tolkien twisted a lot of other works to create his mythology. I don't hear anyone running in here defending the Eddas and Beowulf from JRRT's alterations. The only reason it's different is because this is a Tolkien fan site, not a Lord of the Rings Movie fan site. I don't know why BB would expect anything different from this group. Every geek has an overarching principle by which he is defined. Here we are defined by our love of Tolkien, not our love of adaptations of Tolkien.
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I agree with you, Elfhelm; if I know how a book goes and I see a movie that butchers it, it ticks me off, period. It does so more in the case of Tolkien, because he is my favourite author, and there is often more to be butchered than in many other movies, due to the depth of the universe.
I disagree about the title; toting the name is separated from merely basing your work on it, in that it implies an intent to remain pretty close to the original work, in my opinion. And I disagree about the Eddas; Tolkien didn't "alter" them, he "borrowed" from them, in my opinion. I don't mind if other fantasy authors "borrow" from Tolkien; to me, it's a totally different matter.
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11-18-2003, 04:46 PM | #127 | |
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Also Elfhelm - we don't have to get over it. At least I don't. It's my opinion and I have legitimate complaints about why I don't like the movies. You may disagree with my opinions - and that is your right. I think they are unintelligent action films. Thye are NOT what I wanted them to be and I will state my opinions about them.
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11-18-2003, 07:03 PM | #128 | |
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Then you should show some respect to those of differing opinions instead of categorizing them and making generalizations about them...
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No, you misunderstood me. I said to not make generalizations about the people who like them and their opinions about the movie, not about your dislikes of the movies. You were speaking about how you have your opinions and stuff, well so do others...
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Unfortunately, I didn't get to this thread in time to see the lovely posts by thranduil and Dunedain in response to my post to "BB and all forms of BB". Too frikin' bad.
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Oh Ruinel... the debate was just getting good again
Anyway, I think there are only two things that could stop me from having criticisms about the movie. 1) That I didn't love the book 2) That I didn't enjoy the movie. Except I did love the book. Tolkien created a wonderful image of Middle-earth in my imagination when I was 11. Tolkien is part of my childhood; I was, and am, a big reader, and I have fond memories of reading Lord of the Rings. I also enjoyed the movie immensely. If I hadn't, I wouldn't bother criticising it because I wouldn't care. Jackson had a lot to go up against, Middle-earth already existed in my mind and he had to show it on screen. It would have been easier to start from scratch. I liked the movie a lot, but I felt it could have been better. There were a few comprimises I could have done without. It's really just impossible for the movie to compete with Tolkien's Middle-earth that exists in my mind.
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Tolkien also points out very strongly that change isn't always for the good. I think the Ents are the prime example of that.
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11-21-2003, 12:14 PM | #135 |
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Simple plan for all the movie haters:
Why don't you just stay home and not waste your money and time by watching ROTK? Your obviously already made up your mind based upon the previous two movies that ROTK will suck. |
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Simple plan for all the movie haters:
Why don't you just stay home and not waste your money and time by watching ROTK? Your obviously already made up your mind based upon the previous two movies that ROTK will suck. |
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I'm not going to say exactly what I think for fear of getting my head bit off, but can't we all just state our opinions w/o getting into stupid fights? my gosh, y'all are acting like little kids. Just coz someone thinks different then you doesn't mean you have to be biased against them.
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Chip: In all sincerity, there isn't much "bias" going on. Almost all of it comes from BB; a little from JD, and probably a little from me, as well. But I have complete respect for many, many people who feel the movies perfectly captured Tolkien's vision: Dunedain, for example, and a few others who haven't posted for a while. It is when one stoops to constant mudslinging, insulting of intelligence, etc. as BB has that I lose my respect.
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Sorry guys, I was on the first page when I typed my post- that was when I saw the most arguing going on. My mistake-
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