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I can NOT see how you can live in a free society and not allow freedom for EVERYONE. And yes - one of the things I am ashamed of is that it took till the 1960's for segregation to end in the southern half of the US. But we had the means to end it - because EVERYONE had a voice. Martin Luther King was able to stand on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and give his "I Have a Dream" speech. We have a Free Press that allowed scenes of the police brutality in Birmingham to be shown. Today - becuase of this - we have Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice in two of the most powerful positions in government. And Condi Rice (who I had received an e-mail from while she was Provost of Stanford) grew up in the segragated south of Birmingham Alabama. I will go to a rally to stand up against the KKK - but I will also stick up for the rights of those ignorant people to have their little white hooded demonstrations.
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Also - according to the Constituion - when ever a president loses the trust of the people - impeachment hearings can take place. Clinton WAS impeached by the House - the Senate just felt that his transgressions did not warrant his removal from office. He was disbarred by the Arkansas Bar Association however for trying to get withnesses to commit purgory on the stand. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States - telling people to lie under oath goes completely against that Constitution and the rules of law.
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It's funny by your statement - because after 9/11 - many Europeans were outraged that the US was going to finger print visitors to this country and we were going to make it harder for certain groups to come here - either to visit or live. They said "so much for the land of the free" They seem to forget that our Constitution protects Americans - it does NOT extend beyond our borders. If a person doesn't want to be finger printed or have a background check done before entering our country - they don't have to come here.
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As for Clinton, well, he was popular, and most people simply didn’t understood why the big deal. Since it was not understood, people took time speculating, gossiping really. But then, it was your media that made of it a media circus, and our media followed, considering that the scandal, being of a sexual nature, would be good for the ratings, (ah, the joys of rating dynamics). As for the Bush issue, it is of a different nature. To the external observer it seemed alarming what happened during the elections. Do not forget the capacity the US has to project force. So who your president is or how it came there is not devoid of external relevance. To most the issue was not how you should or not deal with the issue but rather how, or if, it would affect them. Quote:
In the US, not necessarily elsewhere. And frankly I really don’t care about how you dealt with Clinton, I simply used it because you used him before as an example, and I really doubt that if I named a Portuguese politician you would be familiar enough to see my point. (I had a better example in F.S. Carneiro, but I doubt you know of him, so that would make writing of him useless as an example). Quote:
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I could easily use your reasoning and reverse it: if you do not respect human dignity you are not free, since you are subject to anyone’s whims.
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08-29-2003, 05:35 PM | #131 | |
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I just don't think you live in a free society if you can restrict a person's speech and thoughts.
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You can even buy Mein Kampf around here, no problem there. But what sometimes make ring an alarm bell are those that are not simply debating ideas.
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I live in the EU and have one, I presumed that, since ID cards were supposed to be standardized (or normalized, whatever ) in the EU by now, all had it.
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I was going to include some KKK and Neo-Nazi sites - but I'm not going to promote their crap. There is a Nazi Party of America also. You can easily do a search. Quote:
One of the current outrages against the Patriot Act because it gives the government power to look at what people take out at the library. Libraries in NJ are fighting this and I think other libraries around the country are fighting it. What a person reads if not the business of the government unless they have a reason to suspect illegal activity and they have a warrant. Even though the American Civil Liberties Union - ACLU can be a little more left - I do support them for what they do.
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But when confronted with that problem we see it differently, each freedom has to be measured against the other and then the lesser one gives. We opt for more freedom, not less. That is how we see it, it is not your way, fine, what I cannot accept is the absolute validity you seem to be attributing to your position. Me, I’m defending that our is as valid an option as yours, since none of us is omniscient to say otherwise.
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To me it is just a way to identify who you are.
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