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And I agree with HOBBIT. The children should have the chance of choosing for themselves. Therefore, they must learn about both their religion AND evolution. If they are not taught in school about evolution, they can't make a choice of whether or not they should believe in it. Of course, they could combine their faith and believing in the theory of evolution, if they'd like.
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I still don't see how this parellel is supposed to make a point! Arn't we also tought the "right" side of the thing? Oh well, try to explain it to me please! Edit: Sorry about that, I was typing this when ^ typed what he did. I still don't understand the parellel though, please try again. And read the other part of my post.
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Sam, do you spell like that on purpose? Not like I am the world's greatest speller, (should have seen me on the board years ago) but I have improved greatly. I cringe when I read some of your spellings for common words, sorry - no offense.
Kids that are not taught about creation are missing out - agreed. They should choose. BUT creation should not be taught in science class alongside evolution - for it is not science. Bible studies class sure - but there is no such thing in most schools. Closest thing is history - but where would you fit that in in? Surely not at the beginning as a possible fact for how we started. I took world history this year - the book started with hominids, not adam and eve. Evolution is taught in history class though. If not the theory itself, the impact it had on the world. There is a small section on how Darwin's theory impacted the world GREATLY and how people reasoned that it applied socially too - hence Social Darwinism and "survival of the fittest."
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Ok, here's the parallell. Like the theory of evolution (which is NOT a religion, I'll come to that later) the Nazi ideologi is considered "wrong" by many.
However, the people who are not Nazis still want their kids to learn about the ideology. It's important to know what the Nazis believed in and what they did. Now, there are many peoples who don't believe in the theory of evolution. But shouldn't they, like the non-Nazis, want their kids to learn what evolution is about? You see my parallell now? And why is evolution not a religion? Well, religion is so much more than just God and how everything was created. It's about ethics and morale too. Evolution is science. Not even the Social Darwinism could be considered a religion. It's an ideology, like communism or capitalism. It is an idea of how to govern, it's not at all a religion.
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Re: Sahara-Gobi Deserts
Sorry, Sheeana. Here's the link (Hope it works this time ).
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The Worldbook and these research papers confirm that environment changes extremely rapidly. Heck, as jerseydevil pointed out earlier, examples of this are extremely easy to find, if you don't accept the major scale ones. Take forest fires, or prairie fires, or floods. They might not have much to do with aridity of climate, but it cannot be denied that life is capable of springing up extremely quickly. I know those are small scale changes, but all I'm demonstrating is that the environment, through natural causes, does repair itself very quickly. The pollen dating merely shows us some transformations occuring on a far larger scale. In Africa, huge climate changes that affected the aridity of the terrain. In the Sahara-Gobi desert stretches, huge transformations back and forth within 120,000 years. There is material in The World Book on those changes as well as the article I posted. It's true that I'm extrapolating, in one major area. That is in the rapidly changing environment. I believe that because of what we have found regarding these huge changes, the same goes for basically all the time of the Earth's existence. I can't see any major historical event that would cause environment to change in such dramatic ways, out of order with the way it naturally behaves. So my extrapolation is that these changes have not only all happened within the last 120,000 years, but also have been happening for far further back in history. Quote:
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You missed it! I asked if you could please PM it back to me first, because I think I had put some rather personal things in it, and I'd like to look it thru first. Please PM me if you would prefer to email it, and I'll PM you my email address
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Hobbit, I defy you to produce a quote where I said that! because I certainly don't believe that!! You just probably think I do, because of some other beliefs that I have (you know, the ones where I"m right and you're wrong.... ) I absolutely think the theory of evolution should be taught in schools!!! What I object to is when the word "theory" is dropped, either outright or by inference. The theory of evolution is a theory believed by many intelligent scientists! So of course it should be taught!! The theory of creation by intelligent design is also a theory believed by many intelligent scientists! So of course it should be taught!! And THAT is my position
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If you wouldn't mind, how would you define macro and micro evolution? I've heard those terms, and I've also used them, but I never really looked up an "official" definition *bops self on head*. Are those terms that are appropriate today? Also, my understanding for "selected for" or natural selection is that a certain configuration becomes more prevalent because of environmental and other issues; however, the characteristics that are being SELECTED BETWEEN are ALREADY PRESENT in the gene pool; is that roughly right?
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It is, however, commonly dropped, both outright (as in not spoken outloud - people talk about evolution, not the theory of evolution) and, as I said, by inference (perhaps not the right word, but when teachers say things like "evolution is now a well-known fact", or "all really significant scientists believe that evolution has been basically completely verified", or things like that).
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Well - it is presented just like any other scientific theory in science text books. Also, that was just my opening sentence. I was mostly replying to something else you said. Was it you who said something like the problem with it being taught in school was that it went against creation and they don't know what to believe. What about what I said about that? Also, will you reply to my long ramblings in the offshoot topic? Some of my ideas make no sense, and others make a lot of sense. I'd appreciate some rational logical replies showing how silly I am (if im wrong that is).
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You just said "Rian has said that evolution should not be taught in schools", and I just really object when people say things like that that are untrue Quote:
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Just thought I should pull this up: what you should know about Peppered and Birmingham moths is that there was also an intermediary species as well, ie there were THREE types, not two.
Note: Intermediate isn't being used in the sense that you are using in your fast evolution theory. Last edited by Sheeana : 05-30-2003 at 08:58 PM. |
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