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Around 29 years pasted from the destruction of the Tree's to the rising of the Sun. And that ain't a very long time to march to ME. The Great March took almost 200 years. 1105 - 1125 Tree's Years.
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So, then it is not the light of the Trees that make a year worth 9+ years of the sun. It is the lack of the sun that makes the difference. Is this right? |
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03-22-2003, 01:46 PM | #23 |
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That's how I see it. Considering that Tolkien wrote the count for the Time of the Trees lasted until 1500 Valinorian Years, but the Trees were destroyed in 1495 (I made a error above).
So from what I can gather ruffley 48 Sun Years passed from the destruction to the Trees to the rising of the Sun. 19 S.Y for the Noldor the reach the Helcaraxe, 29 S.Y for the host of Finglofin to cross the Helcaraxe, and Maedhros hung for 24 S.Y. But the spell Thingol fell under when he met Melian lasted for 212 S.Y, and how he survived has always bothered me. But that's one of the things I love about Tolkien, all the unexplained mysteries.
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Helcaraxe is when the Noldor walked east across the ice, back to ME. |
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Yeah it is kind off weird, it took them almost 100 years to cross from the Anduin to Beleriand 1115 - 1125. It does say that they strayed at times, and even settled in for a time by the Anduin while Orome road ahead, when the Nandor forsoke the march, but still 100 years.
I have made my own Annuals of Aman and Annuals of Beleriand based on the timeline in The Complete Guide to Middle-earth, the Annuals in Morgoth's Ring and The War of the Jewels, plus some of my own little guesses, like I put Durin the Deathless awoke c.1120 Trees Years, during the great Elves march, but I have no evidence to that.
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Re: pain and injury vs. violent assault:
I guess I look at it this way -- Whereas humans are weak and sensitive (bones break easily, skin very sensitive to heat, "Ouch!"), elves are not. Thus, a human falls out of a tree and his leg breaks; an elf's wouldn't. A human would jerk back in pain when he touched a hot pan, but an elf would not be as sensitive (he would feel it, but it wouldn't hurt him). But an elf wouldn't be able to withstand being frozen if trapped in an icy cave or something, I imagine. IOW, minor stuff wouldn't affect them much, but major physical trauma would. That is why humger wouldn't affect them as it would a human, but they could still starve to death if they never got anything to eat. (I guess). |
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a) they were eaten by wolves b) they were captured by Orcs and either eaten or taken as slaves Since no bodies were found, I doubt that they starved to death or died due to exposure to the elements. And even so, it would have taken them a long time, being half-Elven. |
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They could have survived for a while, but was lost and could not escape the Drowning of Beleriand, and perished under the wave that covered the land when the Sea's rushed in.
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Finning for themselves? I never knew that Elves were fish...
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Fend perhaps?
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