02-14-2003, 09:46 AM | #1 |
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Did Galadriel get a divorce?
In reading some of the reference materials, it appears that Galadriel left Middle-Earth in the years after the ring was destroyed while Celeborn chose to stay. Any of you Tolkien experts out there know whether the two truly separated or what was the deal?
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02-14-2003, 11:58 AM | #2 |
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No divorce is available for elves. They marry once and forever(or at least until the end of the Earth), and do not even part at death. The only exception is when a dead spouse forever renounces (in the hall of Nandos) the possibility of returning to life.
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02-14-2003, 12:17 PM | #3 | |
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02-14-2003, 12:36 PM | #4 |
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Galadriel and Celeborn were reunited in Aman. Celeborn only lingered a while because Middle Earth was his home and has always been, and he was loath to leave it. But Elves had to leave, or they would eventually fade. So Celeborn left sometime in the Fourth Age.
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02-14-2003, 01:29 PM | #5 |
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i think that at the end of LOTR Prologue it says that Celeborn parted in the last ship.
i like to think that he remained in ME till Sam was old and then took him to Tol Eressea like the other ringbearers, but probably he remained even more time.
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02-14-2003, 02:54 PM | #6 |
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Heehee. Nandos is a portuguese takeaway chain here in NZ.
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02-14-2003, 06:04 PM | #7 | |
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02-14-2003, 11:54 PM | #8 |
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Cool! Never thought of that!
About Celeborn leaving with Sam I mean.
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02-15-2003, 04:23 AM | #10 | |
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Hello BB, The following quote is from the prologue to the LotR:
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As Lefty Scaevola said, the Elves did not divorce, it was against their nature. They could be separated by distance, or even by death, but they would always remain a married couple. Finwë is the only known exception that we know of, and he married again only after his first wife had died and refused to be reincarnated. Even then he needed permission from the Valar, who granted it only after long and thorough discussions, even if they did not recommend it.
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02-15-2003, 12:26 PM | #11 |
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What kind of wedding ceremony did Elves have anyway?
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02-15-2003, 05:12 PM | #12 |
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There have customary rituals, but they are social rather that legal. To be married take no more that a declaration to each other (possibly, with the gloossed over by a modest JRRT, addition of consumation).
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02-15-2003, 10:39 PM | #13 |
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But I'm sure many had a party to celebrate, yes?
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02-17-2003, 03:33 AM | #14 | |
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From "Laws and customs among the Eldar":
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02-17-2003, 09:28 AM | #15 | |
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And ..... Galadriel and Celeborn were apart other times before. When Galadriel left Eregion e.g. It is said that they often went different ways but finally got together again. Their marriage wasn't alltogether only happy and joy. They had fights but they still loved each other. Like a normal couple. Not this usual love/romance - beeing one forever - stuff.
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What you say about Galadriel and Celeborn having been apart for long periodes is true, but I don't know if they were having fights. What do you base that upon?
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02-17-2003, 10:46 AM | #17 | |
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02-17-2003, 03:42 PM | #19 |
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I think you are thinking of Celebrimbor, not Celeborn
Celebrimbor did love Galadriel, but she didn’t love him and liked more Celeborn. Celebrimbor did listen to Sauron in disguise but not Galadriel.
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Two people who love each other can be apart for a long time, and still love each other.
They'd only get a divorce if they didn't love each other any more.
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