11-08-2002, 02:51 PM | #501 |
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I was visiting a woman the other day, her husband mentioned the UN Inspections. She said "Oh God Jerry! You are so naive! Don't you realize those inspectors are paid off!" She cracks me up!
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11-08-2002, 10:16 PM | #505 |
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[flame edited due to alcohol] lol
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11-08-2002, 10:17 PM | #506 |
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Lol, so, you are a Nazi?
Or is he a Nazi?
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11-08-2002, 10:24 PM | #507 | |
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11-09-2002, 02:24 AM | #508 |
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Oh flaming what a wash. I just think this particular isn't necessary-it's not necessarily bad-killing saddam is ok by me, but the aftermath will be messy- Iraq isn't a coherant polity, Iran wants to meddle, that U.S occupation will be long and unpleasant-and then there are Kurds. It makes Israel and Palestine seem so simple and easy to solve...
but good luck nonetheless, saddam deserves nothing better then some serious cruise missile action
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11-09-2002, 11:56 AM | #509 |
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Yes, but he's such a perverted spoiled wuss, He'll make sure that only women and children die, while he hides in a hole.
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11-09-2002, 12:29 PM | #510 | |
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11-09-2002, 12:52 PM | #511 | |
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There has already been a lot concerning the rebuilding of Iraq. For instance - the US has been looking at the ramifications and desires of the countries around Iraq. They have been meeting with the "defector force" (can't remember who they actually are). I know that they have met several times with Bush at thew White House. We're not even close to war yet and it still may not come to it (although chances are that it will). I seriously don't think the US will leave Iraq in a "vacuum". Afganistan has not been left in a vacuum. We'd probably be using UN troops and the international community to set up a new government. It's going to be a while before a tranisition plan is completely ironed out and the government would be stupid to openly disclose all their plans at this time.
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Sorry, obviously my post was not clear. I never meant the US government acted with a knee jerk reaction. I merely meant to say that it would be 'easy' for 'anyone' to have that sort of response. As for any plan put into place, whether the UN or the US sets it in motion, does anyone truly believe the Iraqi people will accept it? Won't it be perceived as interference in their own, sovereign state? There is no winning here -- the situation is damned either way.
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11-09-2002, 04:30 PM | #513 | |
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I support the US attack (if they will attack) and not afraid of Iraq. Some people just explained to me what could happen in case that someone would be hurt of a nurve gas, and more fatal gases/microbe, and that's disgusting. Like, that you can't control your nurves, and then - you can't stop crying, sweating, and the other liquids in your body get out, and you can't breath... stuff like this. I can't believe people make this things, to hurt people, innocent people. |
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This stuff happens. And it's horrible. And the world basically let Saddam Hussein get away with it when he gassed the Kurds. He has done it to other minorities in Iraq since. The longer he gets away with it, the bolder he will become, and already it has been 11 years and 16 UN resolutions. We will see how he handles the 17th. Quote:
Certainly, just as in the US, Europe, Israel and elsewhere, there are differences of opinion among the Iraqi people; we see this from those dissidents who escape Iraq or who have lived in the West for years. But the people in Iraq who cannot get out must be silent or else 100% behind Big Brother Saddam or face the consequences, which are dreadful. That is not the way of Islam, if one reads the Koran. It is not human nature, either. Something has got to change here and soon. My senator, who was just reelected, bless him, answered a query of mine on this very eloquently. To quote from his letter: Quote:
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The sad part about the military solution is that most of the young men that are considered legitimate targets are conscripts with a gun to their backs. Any installed govvernment would most likely suffer years of terrorist reprisals. It would be best if the imminent invasion caused a coup before the bombs start falling. The aftermath of the invasion would be much less pleasant than the less than wonderful experience of the current Afgans. This is not aiding one side of a civil war but an all out attack against the whole country. I'm gald I don't have to make these decisions and I don't envy our leaders who do.
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I also would hate to be having to make these decisions.
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Iraq has accepted the UN Resolution. Of course they claim they have nothing to be afraid of because they don't have any weapons.
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I am surprised that they agreed to it today. I figured they would have dragged it out until Friday.
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I guess we don't find out anything now until the first report which comes Dec. 26, unless they inhibit the inspectors right away. It will depend on how good the intelligence is and how fast it leads the inspectors to the WMD, if they are there. From what I've read they probably had time to dismantle the small beginnings of any nuke program. They will probably accept the loss of chemical and biological weapons that are found since they can be made easier. The rockets aren't a terror threat and I'm guessing they don't have any more of those left than they had at the end of the war.
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11-15-2002, 06:37 PM | #519 |
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A little equilibrium
Interesting little site which contains both the pros and cons of a direct attack on Iraq -
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...aq_pro-con.htm |
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Iraq fires on U.S. planes in the Nofly Zone two days after accepting the UN resolution. Go figure.
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