10-31-2002, 11:34 PM | #461 |
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Make me the third person that thinks this debate is going nowhere. There is really nothing to debate that hasn't already been run into the ground. It's inevitable that these things always end up blaming America. Why don't we just let this thing rest?
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10-31-2002, 11:35 PM | #462 | |
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10-31-2002, 11:49 PM | #463 | |
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Propaganda in real action Khamul why do you believe this is more centrally aimed agaisnt America.............surely not because that is the general jist of the thread ...... and the thread only supports the opinions of the memebers? right? and the it is an international membership? |
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11-01-2002, 12:04 AM | #464 | |
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England ruled over the Iraq region, Israel/Palestinian region, Pakistan and India. maybe you should learn what role Europe had before critising only America. I agree that America hasn't always done thet right thing. Sometimes the action is right for the times - but later - seems like the wrong action. You can't judge the past in the eyes of today. Look at slavery in America - Europe started that and it's something that we're still paying for here.
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11-01-2002, 12:06 AM | #465 |
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These threads become a bit tiresome after you see so many of them. They wander away from the topic (whatever it is) and end up with people arguing about what's wrong with America, why America was wrong for doing this or that, etc. And then people start taking things personally, and it gets heated. I believe afro-elf started a thread called "anti-american sentiments" a while ago. You might find it interesting.
In the meantime, I say again that this debate is not going anywhere. Pretty much all major points have been argued in the last 23 pages. There haven't been any major events lately in the course of action against Iraq. There is only the development of North Korea, which has nothing to do with this thread. Just let it be for a while.
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Fair enough......I'm still amazed why JD qoutes my posts while refering to history in his statments though
I guess it doesn't matter tho ..........he'll get to justify it one day blame history for the present...........for your son's will do the same Last edited by Coney : 11-01-2002 at 12:13 AM. |
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11-01-2002, 12:24 AM | #468 | |
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Why would you suggest that I said that the situation appeared because of US involvment??? are you purposely looking for even more direct attacks on the US?..........Paranoia is a worrying trait JD, especially in a member of a superpower democracy |
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11-01-2002, 12:44 AM | #469 | |
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As it turns out - legally the US doesn't need a new resolution to attack Iraq. Technically since Iraq didn't comply with the previous UN resolutions - the Gulf War has never ended. Maybe if the UN and the world community did their job after the Gulf War - we wouldn't be talking about the US attacking Iraq now. It's not paranoia. When Clinton first went after Al Qaeda after the US Emabassy bombings - the world also criticised the US. No one around the world, including Americans, felt Al Qaeda was a threat. We didn't go any further and we have lost 3,000 people - not to mention an entire "city". Just because you don't see why we should go after Hussein right now - doesn't mean that the situation won't get worse and we'll have to deal with a bigger problem in the future.
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11-01-2002, 02:21 AM | #470 |
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ENOUGH with the finger pointing. Khamul, I think you should probably just close this thread.
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11-01-2002, 02:32 AM | #471 |
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No, BeardofPants, there I disagree with you. Perhaps reasonable discussion degenerates to finger pointing, but even if it does, when something new on the situation comes up it is good to have a topic open. It helps some people to learn that these things happen and it also enables people to discuss the situation.
I think that if people think the discussion is going nowhere, they'll drop out, and then it will go nowhere. And then it will come up again when further news arrives, but it should be open as an option to people. Last edited by Lief Erikson : 11-01-2002 at 02:34 AM. |
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What I was stating was historical fact. The problems we deal with today in the Middle East and in Africa are a left over from Europe's colonialism. So if you want to criticise the US for what we do today to handle the situation, you should criticise the actions of the previous players in this global mess. Or better yet - criticise the regimes that let THEIR people starve. I love how people demonstrate against the US and our policies. I don't see any demonstration against Iraq or the suicide bombers or the North Koreans, or the Saudis. Is it that maybe because even the demostrators are smart enough to realise that they're voices will go on deaf ears? If you want to demonstrate - why don't you demonstrate against the real evil and speak out against them and their policies.
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11-01-2002, 03:18 AM | #473 |
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JD, this is very repetitive. This paranoia that you have is very tiresome. When I said to stop the finger pointing, I meant ALL of it. Don't try and stick that on me.
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Yeah, and I can turn that back on you: you don't have to reply either. You accuse people of "attacking America", when only perhaps a couple have been doing so. The rest of us have been trying to discuss the Iraq situation. But I now see that it is perhaps a rather futile exercise, when people like you persist in twisting everyone's arguments out of context.
You are right though, I have exhausted what I have to say here. Consider my two cents over and done with. This thread really is going nowhere. Oh, and I wasn't playing moderater, you silly git, I was trying to divert this back into a civil debate about the topic at hand. Again, a futile exercise.
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WOW I'd been wondering what I'd been up to when I was drinking last night.........appears that I'd been posting on here lolol
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I don't think that this argument add something important to the thread. But you can PM if you want.
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11-01-2002, 07:41 PM | #479 |
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Administrative Warning- This will only be said once. If you wish to discuss Iraq, then do so in an intelligent and respectful fashion. That means without bashing other countries, and without flaming other members. If this thread continues on its current course, I will not hesitate to close it. Political discussion is a sensitive topic and your conduct is expected to be civil. Anymore flaming or disrespectful and negative comments about another's country will result in the closing of this thread, and other possible action for the delibrate violation of the posting policies which you agreed to abide by when registering to this message board. I hope I have made myself clear.
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11-01-2002, 08:27 PM | #480 |
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What about slightly disgrunted comments about the leadership of my own country?
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