Was the Witch-King...?

Christiana · 08-25-2002, 03:17 PM

Was the Witch King one of the corrupted Numenoreans?

StrawberryIcecream · 08-25-2002, 03:44 PM

I looked in the encyclopedia of Arda and all I could find was that SOME of the nazgul were Numenoreon so Im not sure on that one im afraid. Im such a big help

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Ñólendil · 08-25-2002, 08:11 PM

At least three of them were corrupt Dúnedain, yes. I wouldn't be surprized if the Witch King was one of them. He was taller than the others, and the Númenoreans of the Second Age were very tall.

Christiana · 08-25-2002, 09:17 PM

what?!you dont know?!I cant believe it!*stops amazed rambling to watch a certain scene in a certain movie*

Mirahzi · 08-25-2002, 09:21 PM

Also, his realm was in very close proximity to Arnor. If he had been a Southron, this would've been unlikely.

Christiana · 08-25-2002, 09:28 PM

true.in fact,im watching him right now

Ñólendil · 08-26-2002, 12:34 AM

Mirahzi, you have to remember that the Kings and Sorcerors who became the Ringwraiths lived in the Second Age before Arnor. The Númenoreans among them would come from the southern coasts.

Christiana, if you were referring to me, I'll tell you that I'm not some kind of expert, there is a great deal of things I do not know. I've read some of the books many times [actually the Lord of the Rings is the only single story I've read through completely many times, but even that isn't true if you count the Appendices], but I am not among the great Tolkien scholars, not even close.

thingol · 08-27-2002, 02:31 AM

yes the witch king was a corupt numenorian i guess

markedel · 08-27-2002, 08:22 AM

One would assume if he is the witch-king, Sauron might as well find a King of Men to do what he desires. But who knows for sure?

Beleg Strongbow · 08-28-2002, 07:29 AM

they were all kings... great kings of men...

I think that the Witch-King was a Numenorean, but most of the others were easterlings.

Ñólendil · 08-28-2002, 04:07 PM

According to Faramir more than two were Númeanorean.

Bertuthiel · 08-28-2002, 08:33 PM

If you read carefully in the Appendixes, you will find passages the actually put a name to The Witch King of Arnor.

Ñólendil · 08-28-2002, 11:20 PM

Pardon me for saying so, but I highly doubt that.

***Khamûl*** · 08-28-2002, 11:26 PM

Please elaborate Bertuthiel. You have piqued my interest.

Beleg Strongbow · 08-29-2002, 07:33 AM

anyway.. I just thought it was the
Witch-King, Lord of Angmar, Captain of Sauron and Lord of the Ringwraiths.

not that that doesn't make him cool enough already

markedel · 08-29-2002, 07:35 AM

I think she claime Berethuel the black Numenorian Queen of Gondor during the reign of that 1st childless King was the Witch-King (er Queen) of Angmar.

Beruthiel · 08-30-2002, 02:49 AM

I beg your pardon, I am lapsing into old mistakes. The Witch King is not named. Only his second in command, Khamûl of Dol Guldur is named.....darn darn, and I looked so hard for that! (I still have a clear recollection of having found that dang name somewhere, and it's been oh, 10 years since I was that involved in researching the Nazgul...*sigh*)

08-25-2002, 03:17 PM	#1
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	Was the Witch-King...? Was the Witch King one of the corrupted Numenoreans? __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

08-25-2002, 03:44 PM	#2
StrawberryIcecream Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In my jeans Posts: 915	I looked in the encyclopedia of Arda and all I could find was that SOME of the nazgul were Numenoreon so Im not sure on that one im afraid. Im such a big help ! __________________ www.foolofatook.com for all you pippin's out there.

08-25-2002, 08:11 PM	#3
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	At least three of them were corrupt Dúnedain, yes. I wouldn't be surprized if the Witch King was one of them. He was taller than the others, and the Númenoreans of the Second Age were very tall. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-25-2002, 09:17 PM	#4
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	what?!you dont know?!I cant believe it!stops amazed rambling to watch a certain scene in a certain movie __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

08-25-2002, 09:21 PM	#5
Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	Also, his realm was in very close proximity to Arnor. If he had been a Southron, this would've been unlikely. __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

08-25-2002, 09:28 PM	#6
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	true.in fact,im watching him right now __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

08-26-2002, 12:34 AM	#7
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Mirahzi, you have to remember that the Kings and Sorcerors who became the Ringwraiths lived in the Second Age before Arnor. The Númenoreans among them would come from the southern coasts. Christiana, if you were referring to me, I'll tell you that I'm not some kind of expert, there is a great deal of things I do not know. I've read some of the books many times [actually the Lord of the Rings is the only single story I've read through completely many times, but even that isn't true if you count the Appendices], but I am not among the great Tolkien scholars, not even close. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan Last edited by Ñólendil : 08-26-2002 at 12:35 AM.

08-27-2002, 02:31 AM	#8
thingol Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: norway,stord Posts: 30	yes the witch king was a corupt numenorian i guess

08-27-2002, 08:22 AM	#9
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	One would assume if he is the witch-king, Sauron might as well find a King of Men to do what he desires. But who knows for sure? __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

08-28-2002, 07:29 AM	#10
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	they were all kings... great kings of men... I think that the Witch-King was a Numenorean, but most of the others were easterlings. __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

08-28-2002, 04:07 PM	#11
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	According to Faramir more than two were Númeanorean. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-28-2002, 08:33 PM	#12
Bertuthiel Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 14	If you read carefully in the Appendixes, you will find passages the actually put a name to The Witch King of Arnor. __________________ Evil were the Cats of Queen Beruthiel. "Max! Zap! Oden, get off me! Agggghhhhh!"

08-28-2002, 11:20 PM	#13
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Pardon me for saying so, but I highly doubt that. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-28-2002, 11:26 PM	#14
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	Please elaborate Bertuthiel. You have piqued my interest. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

08-29-2002, 07:33 AM	#15
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	anyway.. I just thought it was the Witch-King, Lord of Angmar, Captain of Sauron and Lord of the Ringwraiths. not that that doesn't make him cool enough already __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

08-29-2002, 07:35 AM	#16
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	I think she claime Berethuel the black Numenorian Queen of Gondor during the reign of that 1st childless King was the Witch-King (er Queen) of Angmar. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

08-30-2002, 02:49 AM	#17
Beruthiel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 41	I beg your pardon, I am lapsing into old mistakes. The Witch King is not named. Only his second in command, Khamûl of Dol Guldur is named.....darn darn, and I looked so hard for that! (I still have a clear recollection of having found that dang name somewhere, and it's been oh, 10 years since I was that involved in researching the Nazgul...sigh)

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