07-08-2002, 08:31 AM | #21 |
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Methinks the readers of the Bible (pure fiction) dislike LoTR (more great fiction) because it is reaching a new level of interest and following in the world, usurping the Bible's previous dominance of the Fiction Bestseller List for the past 2,000 years.
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07-08-2002, 08:34 AM | #22 |
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C'mon. We all know how evil catholics are.
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07-08-2002, 08:40 AM | #23 |
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OK Aragorn's Dimple that's pure [EDITED] like the ppl who say you can't like Star Wars and LOTR, but that they have to compete. The Bible is a great work, and wether you accept the religion of it or not it's a very true historical account, possibly the best in existance.
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"We all know how evil some catholics can be." It's like someone else saying "We all know how unclean non-virgins are." To which my answer would be "Yeah, some people can be evil but I can't find any correlation with their religion, lifestyle, etc...."
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Regarding Mr Cloud's article, I think that all he might just be trying to say is that christians should avoid trying to use Tolkien's books as an allegory of their version of a divine story. He gives examples about a lot of RPG's pushed forth mostly by D&D and all these concepts of "occultist" objects such as wizards and wraiths only to push his point by using concepts that these groups may find taboo.
In my view, any physical and even literal obect can be used for either good or evil. It is the mind who uses it that performs the act and makes it good/evil. I guess one may want to interpret it as an allegory of whatever but it becomes dangerous when people start taking your interpretations too literally and in some case, act on them. For example (a ridiculous one), "I want to throw my boss' ring into a smelter so he will lose his power over me"
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07-09-2002, 02:36 PM | #32 |
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That's really incredibly stupid. I didn't read it, because I read something else very similar to this in an earlier thread. I assume they're all alike.
I'm a practising Catholic. Every single report on Tolkien, Lord of the Rings, the movie, everything written by Catholic reporters are always positive. SO unless I missed the fact that Catholic people are like the devil...
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Those people have some SERIOUS issues.
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okay, i finally desided to go to the web site, and now i know what you gise are talking about! i disagree with the person who wrote all of the stuff on that page! even if tolkien did not mean to add christian things in his books, he did. he probally did not even notice it though. he may have puted some things in that he wouldent if he had not read the Bible, like as an exsample,whene he (gandalf) is talking to wormatoug in the two towers gandalf says something close to what God says to satin in the garden of eden! we all say things that we don't mean to, and things that we try not to, and things that we wish we hadn't, and tolkien is not any difrent!
and who said that ALL rock in roll singers were bad? i never lissen to any rock in roll, but i suppose that there has to be some that is not bad! and even if all of them are bad, that dos not make tolkien bad dose it???
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THe sad thing is... that's pretty mild compared to some of hte stuff I've read.
One author said that 'sauron is clearly meant to represent god, and since he can only be defeated by everybody banding together agianst him, tolkien obviously wanted everybody to join together in athiesm' Or 'the two towers is a clear statement about 911'
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THe sad thing is... that's pretty mild compared to some of hte stuff I've read.
One author said that 'sauron is clearly meant to represent god, and since he can only be defeated by everybody banding together agianst him, tolkien obviously wanted everybody to join together in athiesm' Or 'the two towers is a clear statement about 911'
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07-13-2002, 01:46 AM | #40 |
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Not that 9/11 reference *AGAIN*!
Did the people who write these things know that Tolkien was... Pardon the estimate, I need to catch up on my history... about 50 years before 9/11, and thus had to be either a time-traveller or a seer to name his book the Two Towers in reference to that? </rant> Anyway, Tolkien's Towers were Orthanc and Minas Tirith, if I recall correctly. I read it on the back of one of the books ages ago.
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