07-01-2008, 06:31 PM | #961 | |
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It's a distrust of science per se that exists among many religious believers. And really, I get tired of 'debate' that takes all its cues from nonsense like this : http://www.dare2share.org/devotions/...the-zoo-to-you The idea is, Lie, and keep it up...you can shout people down. Real discussion, and all science, depends on a clear pattern to evaluate things. Sometimes people do a much smaller question than the one that hits a newspaper. But science makes progress. I think good religion makes progress, too.
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07-01-2008, 06:33 PM | #962 |
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so what your saying is that God should cure AIDS to prove Himself? Why when aids is usally transfered when people have sex with a lot of people and God says to wait til marriage and to have sex with the one you marry. So He should fix our mistakes so that we don't have to face our actoins? (im pointing this to america mostly...not sure how aids in aferica works unless they are having multipul partners also)
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07-01-2008, 06:37 PM | #963 |
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hmmm interesting...as I said I have never thought about this...but to me if someone from God were to came "and" show them self i'd think it would be an angel since they are the messengers...but I guess this is a possibility that saints could come too.
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I certainly hope it's a possibility, or else who was that at the Transfiguration?
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07-01-2008, 06:49 PM | #966 | |
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Indeed I have to add that this type of religious argueing is the Art of Deviating. Sometimes it seems perfectly okay to speak of God's will on Earth, and how he helps us out when we really are the cause of our own troubles. Other times it is more convenient to speak of God as non-interacting, not solving the troubles we create for ourselves. So which is it? This is a problem for religion. It has the Bible, and it has the Ten Commandments, yet when confronted with challenging realities, everything becomes fluid, and everything is either in our hands or in the hands of God. Completely unreliable and utterly irresponsible. Give me our man-made laws and our rights and our ethics any day over any of the above.
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07-01-2008, 06:55 PM | #968 | |
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This is important. the HIV virus is transmitted through the exchange of body fluids. While this may happen during unprotected sex, the numbers of partners is not the determining factor, only the presence of the virus is. It is, worldwide, more and more an illness transmitted to children from their HIV positive mothers, and in the US is also commonly transmitted through exchange of blood associated with drug use. I repeat. NEITHER THE NUMBER OF PARTNERS NOR THEIR RELATIVE GENDERS IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR FOR AIDS TRANSMISSION EVEN WHEN SEXUAL ACTIVITY IS THE WAY IT IS PASSED. /lecture
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*nods*
What she said.
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God does reach out to each person where he or she is, in life. But as I said earlier, what was originally bound by unbelief must be released by belief. God gives a tremendous stack of evidences for those unbelievers who need more, but ultimately we must believe. That unmakes the original sin Adam and Eve committed by choosing not to believe God when he told them they'd die if they disobeyed him. Gwaimir is right. If Zeitoun isn't enough for you, you can look at the Medjugorje miracles or others. History is full of such wonders, where God opened history and did it for all to see. Zeitoun is the kind of supernatural episode you'd find in the Bible, except bigger than most of those accounts. Usually those signs happened before thousands of people, not millions. You can always demand a bigger and BIGGER and BIGGER sign for God to prove Himself. What you really need to do, though, is just get down on your knees and pray that God reveals his truth to you personally, in such a way that it is clear to you that it is Him. Ask him to reveal Himself, if He exists, in a way that reaches your reason fully, and your heart, answering all you need answered. Quote:
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By God's standard no one is a good person...If you can name one commandment you have not broken I believe you may be the first...I've broken everyone. OOO i know a good one people use "thou shall not murder" have you killed someone? I hope not. Jesus said that if you hate another you have broke the spirit of that command and are subject to judgment. I have thought a lot and studied on that for a while and i think i have figured it out. The reason hating someone in your heart is the same as killing (and i don;t mean disliking i mean your straggling them in your head hate) is because God can see our hearts and if he sees you want to kill someone weather you will or never will you are still wishing them dead. Now through a christain stand point say i hate someone so much and i wish them dead...im not going to share the word of God to them because i don't care if they go to Hell. I hope that makes since.
Yes i get what your saying about people being born with AIDS/HIV whose to say God woulnd't help them then? im talking about AIDS in general. As for being born with it...didn't the parent have to have it too...where did they get it....as for the blood transfer wonder where the person who was giving the blood got it? What im saying is sometimes it may not be the person who gets it fault but it always will link back to sex with more then one partner. God can choose to help someone or not its whatever furthers His plan. Coffee (i still love that name hehe) your saying that im contradicting myself a lot (at least i think you are) but i am merely repeating God's word and i have yet once to contradict myself and if I ever do on here i bet it will be because I strained off into my own thoughts then God's word. (i do that sometimes when im tired hehe) and with that im getting off pizzas here! We have straied from my main point so meny times so im going to throw it back to my point. Jesus is God and the only way to Heaven is through Him...sorry if you still want to prove that off but its still going to be true. God created us to be with Him. Our sins separate us from God. Sins cannot be removed by good deeds. Paying for our sins, Jesus died and rose again! Everyone who trusts in Him will have eternal life. Life that is eternal means we will be with Him forever! (Greg Stair, Dare 2 Share)
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07-01-2008, 07:11 PM | #972 | |
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F.ex. you speak to me of these one million testimonies. You expect me to believe that one million inhabitants of Cairo have given testimony on this? You're misunderstanding the sources you're reading. There was luminescence around the said church in Cairo, it happened over a period of three years, it is neatly explained in a corresponding theory on tectonic disturbances, it happened in a city of millions and there are a few photos that show light, more light and shapes and sizes you'd expect on top of a church For every post you write on this happening you seem to inflate its importance more and more. Forgive me for not finding this very convincing.
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History is full of such wonders, where God opened history and did it for all to see. Zeitoun is the kind of supernatural episode you'd find in the Bible, except bigger than most of those accounts. Usually those signs happened before thousands of people, not millions. You can always demand a bigger and BIGGER and BIGGER sign for God to prove Himself. What you really need to do, though, is just get down on your knees and pray that God reveals his truth to you personally, in such a way that it is clear to you that it is Him. Ask him to reveal Himself, if He exists, in a way that reaches your reason fully, and your heart, answering all you need answered. The thing is you come from a Protestant non-denominational tradition, so this kind of thing sounds odd to you. Nothing you've been taught. But saints have been appearing to Catholics for 2,000 years. It's a well-accepted part of their Tradition, since the very beginning of the Church. The first reported such incident in Christian history comes just a century or two after Jesus. The Jews were reporting these kinds of experiences hundreds of years before that, though.[/QUOTE] Quote:
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I'm tired of explaining this to you, Coffeehouse. You haven't responded to any of the points of my previous post. All you did is restate what you said earlier, with a little mockery of my tone of voice thrown in. Here's the only argument you made that's new and not yet refuted:
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Go ahead and keep doing what you're doing, if you want. I wish you'd stop pretending to be using reason, though. Nothing you've said is anything beyond bias. Quote:
I have read some of the testimonies. They say what I said they said.
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I agree with Gwaimir's response here too, that she truly did give birth to Jesus, he truly did come from her flesh. God didn't just pop Him through her like some odd kind of metro stop . Quote:
We pray to saints the same way we'd talk to an angel. If an angel showed up in front of you, and you were filled with a feeling of peace and the presence of God, wouldn't you feel comfortable with talking to him? Or would you stand there with your mouth sealed? Talking to spirits from God is not wrong. That's all that Christians do who pray to Mary. Prayer isn't the same thing as worship. It's just speaking to a spirit. If you're speaking to God, you might include worship in your prayer, though. Praying to saints usually asks them to pray for you. That's just like asking a saint on Earth to pray for you. You might ask your youth pastor to pray for you, for example. Asking a saint in heaven to pray for you isn't that much different, except that they can see God and are purified. Quote:
Have fun . Yum yum. EDIT: Time for me to eat too . . . chicken, noodles and tomato sauce. Very nice .
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Oh. I didn't know that.
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07-01-2008, 08:25 PM | #979 |
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ok I just had a talk with my youth pastor, chap(leif can i call you chap?) and he told me what I had wrong. Mary is Jesus's mother (my bad im new at this stuff remember) but heres my question. Chap do you believe Mary was just who God choose to be Jesus's mother or do you believe she has has divineness about her? like do you believe she was more then just human?
sorry for being wrong guys like I said im still new at this and some of it is over my head hehe)
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07-01-2008, 08:28 PM | #980 |
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there is one thing chap i'd like to say about you talking to coffee....stay calm and loving you seem to be getting mad and one thing i know for sure is we are suppose to be as loving as doves. all right high five! *holds up hand*
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