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I can agree with most (certainly not all, or even the way you phrase it) of that...especially the part about religion not being owned by the Republican Party. There's a book by E.J. Dionne on this subject, and he's doing an eight part interview with Hugh Hewitt. Dionne is a religious lefty, and he wrote a book called "Souled Out: Reclaiming Relgion After The Religious Right. You can listen to each installment every Thursday: http://ksky.townhall.com/
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03-11-2008, 02:10 PM | #142 |
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LOL. So you weren't personally traumatized by the news coverage.
Good. I was worried.
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Absolutely I was traumtized. I just didn't know it at the time. I could make my case in a court of law any day, with a good ACLU lawyer.
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Start with a good psychologist, and get back to me.
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How much do your charge per hour, Mrs Lawyer?
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03-11-2008, 02:47 PM | #146 |
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The ACLU doesn't charge. If you have a good case, I'll take it pro-bono.
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I'll get right on working up my story then
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Hehe *waves back at (to?) Bush*
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For starters, is this still really a so 'widely stated myth'? I admit, it sounds catchier, but I have doubts about its veracity. I did a little google search on that phrase, and insofar google is reliable tool for this, the only places where I find the claim that bags alone kill all those animals, come from articles based on the Times-article, who happily condemn anyone interested in reducing plastic bags as a fearmonger that used bad science. Real cute. The Times ought to be ashamed of such lousy reporting. But you will find many sites that blame plastic, plastic waste, plastic litter, marine debris ect. Those are in essence correct. So where is all this wide-spread saying that it's only the bags? There should be plenty out there, right? If this is so wide-spead? I found but one after 15 minutes of searching, and it was a blog. The statements's a false thing to say, alright. Especially since it seems also false to say this is widely spread. And you can't even call this bad science, bad research maybe, definitely bad reporting. But if the original 1980s report is sound even if it's about marine debris, then where exactly is the bad science? The article goes on to ignore other reasons often cited for banning plastic bags. Veeeery balanced reporting here. Other factors come into plays as well: plastic is very durable and remains into the environment (marine, fresh water AND terrestrial) for a very long time. They sometimes also contain dangerous chemicals. Also, if the use of plastic bags is reduced, this leads to a reduction in waste in landfills. So again, bad reporting for using only the marine angle, but hey, since they could then focus on the OMGbadscience nonsense, it makes tastier reading. Also, I'll be very much surprised if people are basing their policies solely on studies no newer than 1987. Is there also a direct source linking this 'mythical' numbers to the Brown's policy to reduce plastic bags? I haven't seen anything but assumptions it must be so. But as far as I understand English, saying: 'plastic bags are one of the most visible symbols of environmental waste.' doesn't equal 'bags kill so many marine animals'. Besides, show me the first decent scientist too, who thinks that reducing plastic bags ISN'T a good idea. I'll say this, though: true, plastic bags are often singled out, but they're still a part of the plastic pollution and an iconic member. Personally I would like to see a similar crack-down on other plastic packaging materials. After all, plastic bags can be taken care of relatively easily by either changing to re-usable bags, or biodegradable ones. But other plastic packaging is often ignored. That said, this article goes overboard the other way: plastic bags are by no means harmless, but to 'prove' this point the journalists gloss over a number of things. Plastic is a problem in the ocean, and while the single contribution of bags can be debated, bags are not as 'misunderstood' as the Times article wants them to be. And even plastic bags can be torn and eroded to pellets and fragments, and still be a hazard for animals even if you can't recoginize it as a bag anymore. There are some other weaknesses in the article: Quote:
They go on to say that there is no scientific evidence to show that the bags pose any direct threat to marine mammals. Note again, that there are far more species in the ocean than marine mammals. Do the journalist conveniently forget about them? The Times is also wrong in saying that there isn't 'any direct threat'. Here I dare think there was some miscommunication with the scientist they quoted (which I traced back to belonging to Marine Mammal Commision, a US government agency, so I take it he knows what he's talking about, when it comes to marine mammals in the US waters). He mentions only entanglement, and here plastic bags don't feature much with marine mammals, but there are other ways in which plastic waste can kill. Quote:
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So after this article, and if those new sins come from an interview and no official announcement, I say we ask the vatican to make a new mortal sin out of bad reporting. It darn well should be.
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Yay! Big round of applause for Earniel.
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I'm not trying to argue that plastic bags are good or bad for the environment, I just think that you two are missing the point of the articles, which is not hinged on that phrase. http://www.slate.com/id/2177490/ Quote:
Just for the record, this is what I endorse: http://environment.about.com/od/recy...usablebags.htm Cloth bags, made from viciously ripping the members of cotton plants
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DO NOT read if you are squeamish:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/M...&comments=true
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And just in case you haven't heard, "The Fed promised a $200 billion booster shot for ailing markets -- and Wall Street answered with its biggest bounce in more than five years." 416 point rise by the Dow. I don't understand this stuff very much, but I know enough to ask: this is one heck of a roller coaster time for our economy. Up, down, up, down. We have to level out and get steady sometime, don't we?
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Naw, too tough. Party on, guys!
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Thanks...FDR, Kennedy?
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And because of this article, I dare say you seem convinced now, that plastic bags don't harm anything or anyone at all. Which is exactly why this article is IMO bad, you can't base any decision on the plastic bags-debate based on this. It's incomplete, distorted and sometimes even just plainly wrong. And because they pretend the only angle on this debate is the marine mammals, they give the wrong impression that that is the sole basis on which plastic bags are banned, and that this is also wrong. This is not informing people at all.
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Interesting. A nice farmhouse was raffled in Maryland: but you have to pay over $150,000 in taxes. Full story here: http://www.wbaltv.com/news/15572598/detail.html
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Richest man in Britain, Gerald Cavendish, Duke of Westminster is "Client # 6"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...spitzer212.xml You really have to wonder at this point, who are Clients 1-5? Clients 7 and 8?
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Some of you lefties will no doubt want to fantasize about this...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1774
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