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Elf Lord
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sorry, guys, the extension of passing of grey company and the muster of rohan coming monday night!
apologies for delay. BB |
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No worries BB, I'm sure whenever you can finish is fine. We're not school.
![]() ![]() I haven't participated in this project in a while. I still think it's really cool, just for the record. ![]()
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King of Nargothrond
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Is whoever was doing the dwarven appendix still around? If not, I'll take it..I love the story of the battle at Moria!
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BB - Saw the "Mustard of Rohan"
![]() ![]() Beren - assuming BB gets his wrapped up soon, two weeks from today is November 8. Can you post then? A day or two before or after is fine, if it turns out to be a bad day or anything.
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the Shrike
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Feh, I have an exam today... studying is for sissies! Clearly, you are not prioritising LOTR enough!
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High King at Annuminas Administrator
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Yikes!
![]() I went back to a 3-week spacing to take us through the Yule Holidays ![]() Meanwhile - let's get some posts in on Beren's Book V / Chapter 4. It has another week or so to be the 'active' chapter - at least.
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The following posts through #388 were moved here from the Muster of Rohan discussion
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Elf Lord
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with the very best willed and friendliest of motives Val, i fail to see the point of a discussion thread about events in the LOTR, as outlined by the very project outlines themselves, that does not let, or allow or encourage mooters to discuss the relevant parts of the chapter???
firstly this is all friendly and encouraging .. it all (ok i'll give you the marrows ![]() but How on earth can we discuss the events, meanings and our thoughts and questions about the events of this chapter without, as Azalea said we could when defining the whole project, refering outside of the book when needed??? (PLUS some of this IS in the appendixes) ... also i understood it from the quote above and the original premise of the project to be CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD AND DEFINED ... that: "Obviously a lot of what we discuss will have been discussed in other threads. That's okay. This is a separate project, and the other threads are for going into greater depth for a particular aspect of the books. Repitition is okay here. " so, really, is it not a) unessecary to... and B) against the spirit of the thing... ... to curtail discussion here? we are not intending to go into any great depth on any other subject , just musing about the story, meanings and how's, why's and what's of what is brought up in this very chapter! Now, i am very glad YOU are the mod here Valandil because you are intelligent, likeable, reasonable and what's more a good writer yourself ... so ,really, surely we have by Azalea's guidelines and aims for this project not only the right (which cannot be doubted) but also the strength (which, may be barely enough , and prove to be somewhat tougher than the batlle of Valandil's deep thought ![]() very best, BB ![]() ![]() oh and yes ..val ... i'd like to see YOU reply more in here too! (though on different lines from above ![]() ![]() |
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BB - I certainly don't want to squelch discussion, but I can assure you that one of azalea's objectives was that the discussion for each chapter(s) remain on what happened in that chapter - or before, but not after - and not drawing from various other sources. The idea was to not intimidate the Tolkien novice, but to allow them to feel free to venture an opinion, without having all kinds of things thrown back in response from texts they had never heard of - rather than from the chapter under discussion.
There are a lot of you folks who know a lot around here, after all. So - my comment was only in reference to Serenoli's mention of the Ban of Men and what befell Numenor - and your response to it and mention of Angmar. And of course, you're certainly free to discuss those things. One great hope had been that the discussion starting in these chapters would launch new threads that would take the discussion deeper and COULD include those other sources (whether in LOTR forum, Silmarillion forum or Middle Earth forum). So go start a thread on it! We want to keep these threads more focused though - on the material presented in that chapter, or to date in the chapters previously covered. Unfortunately, azalea doesn't make it around as much, but if you're still uncertain, you're free to go ahead and PM her - and steer her this way to see if I have accurately captured her intent. ![]()
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Lady of the Ulairi
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You are both right and wrong, Val, I think.
Certainly, every thread should better stay on topic, who argues that. ![]() ![]() The problem is that few people now venture into the Books forum. There has not been a real animated discussion for quite some time. It has become dull here, hasn't it? So, every lively discussion, like in this thread, should be encouraged. Like a wise Ent, careful not to stunt the delicate green growth, you better wait and observe and then - OOPS - you take the scissors and split the thread. ![]() I know, I know, Val, splitting threads is such a hard work! ![]() |
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Elf Lord
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I agree gor .. just feels like it's pointless coming here now ..we can't discuss the lord of the rings (in the main) in the lord of the rings discussion project thread for god's sake!
![]() plus i am prepared to argue, that if you look at the quotes from azalea there is plenty of project guidelines that support both our aims of ACTUALLY having some discussion and that we break no rules ... Azalea: Discussion project official guidelines: Quote:
one project to bring them all ... and in the Lightness bind them... .... isn't that partly the point? you want hundreds of watered down tiny threads that no one can keep up with about every little thing that springs directly from a chapter discussion???? may i politely ask you to reconsider this Val? ![]() Last edited by Butterbeer : 12-07-2005 at 11:12 AM. |
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Here is that chunk of Azalea's guidelines in full. If you want to see more, you can read through her opening post on the Discussion Project Thread itself.
My own emphases added: Quote:
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#378 |
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well as i see it val, it's 50-50 really thats what my accurate and genuine perception is .... and i have read ALL the opening post
i did say before that my stuff was admittedly selective ... but look at azalea's outlines and my points and yours are pretty 50-50 ... but look at the whole piece and i do rather get the strong impression she is saying look you can add stuff and do feel free to wander off to subjects that come up a bit in the course of discussion of that chapter , even if it briefly goes over ground of another thread ... because i want this project to be friendly, encouraging and to to enable more discussion of the book and in the book forum in general ... sure she asks us to not go too far off the path nor too often .... but we haven't .. and do not intend to ... that to me is the spirit it is intended in ... but for me, currently it just seems we cannot discuss anything about the LOTR books in the LOTR book discussion project???? what is and what isn't off topic? ![]() anything in a particular chapter that relates to one before or after ? That frankly is impossible ..it is a book ... it tells a story ..how can we isolate a chapter from the previous one or not look at the effects this chapter has on in the story?? How would we even know who the characters are?? or what they are doing?? if you take it that far ... how can we discuss anything??? it all relates to and affects previous and later chapters! i just think it goes against the spirit of what azalea wrote ... in terms of the law of it (as it were) i still think it 50-50 at best ... but i do not wish to argue with you ... if you do not wish us to discuss LOTR and the impact of events from the chapter and our thoughts on it or if things written clearly in the LOTR appendixes are now out of bounds, then what can we do? I think we just all enjoyed having a discussion ... this obviously is in error. i must say, though it really does suprise me this stance ... but what can we all do ? perhaps you could itemise specifically what is allowable and the rigid limits within that given approved list? Last edited by Butterbeer : 12-08-2005 at 07:59 AM. |
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Actually, I'm with Valandil on this one. While I certainly think we should be able to take elements outside the LoTR books into account in this discussion, they should not be the center of the thread (they rightfully so deserve their own threads). I think, and I see it in the guidelines that azalea laid down also, that the current LoTR-chapter should still remain the main focus of each chapter-thread.
It is not because the book forum has little traffic now that we should concentrate all topics we want to discuss into the few currently active threads. On a more personal note I've found it very enjoyable that the seperate chapter-discussions allow to focus on details from the chapters that would otherwise have gone unnoticed between the bigger themes and events of Tolkien's whole scope, such as the drowning of Numenor and the power of vows. ![]() Now, on with the discussion, I'd say. ![]() ![]() Quote:
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ok ...fine but what percentage of this whole thread is not specifically on the main 2 chapters here?
2% ...3%?? possibly a max of 4%?? so ..in this very chapter we learn of the whole oath breaking scenes ...yet we cannot discuss it???? the power of vows is a central Part of the whole chapter!!!!! else there would be no dead or passing of the grey company! yours very confused, BB |
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