09-19-2005, 11:32 AM | #241 |
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so we're no better than monkeys. I've been saying that for years.
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09-19-2005, 11:41 AM | #242 |
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actually, we're worse... monkeys don't think they're special
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09-19-2005, 11:44 AM | #243 |
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"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals."
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I think that human eyesight works amazingly, incredibly well. I think that it's hard to argue that something that works as amazingly well as it does is not "perfect - things like tonsils and the appendix spring to mind. These were once thought to be useless, until we found out their use. Unless all the info is in, which will never happen in science , I don't see how you can claim the eye isn't perfect. I think a better question is given how amazingly well the eye works, and how amazingly complex its workings are, is it reasonable to think that it could have evolved?
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Heres what the encyclopedia says: "Abiogenesis (Greek a-bio-genesis, "non biological origins") is, in its most general sense, the hypothetical generation of life from non-living matter. Today the term is primarily used to refer to hypotheses of the origin of life from a primordial soup." Quote:
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No, what I was saying was that chemical evolution is the scientific study of how life might have arisen from non-life. You said I was wrong.
I said, " "chemical evolution" refers to the scientific study of how life might have arisen from non-life." and you said, "Nope. Thats abiogenesis." So I pointed out places in major scientific institutions where the term "chemical evolution" was used how I said it was used. It also appeared that you were not familiar with the term "chemical evolution", and I was explaining how it related to abiogenesis. And how "biological evolution" is a term, too, used to more precisely describe what we usually refer to as "evolution", and it looks as if you weren't familiar with that term, either. Now you've heard of them
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Seems like human eyes work great
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To which YOU said I was "incorrect”. Then you changed your tune and said well it’s the same. NOW yer saying that abiogenesis is evolution when it clearly is defined by what happens BEFORE life is in place. Now you can put all the modifiers on evolution you like but it doesn’t make it Evolution. Just because there are terms called “Linguistic Evolution” and “Social Evolution” doesn’t mean language or society are part of the theory of evolution. The scientific dictionary and encyclopedic definitions of evolution have to do with change in gene frequency over time… not with pre-life. “Biological evolution” is a redundant term which I have heard many times before thanks so no sense trying to score petty points with that by acting all smug and special and playing your gotcha word games... I don’t bother with it as many scientists don’t because its redundant and useless. It’s the same as saying evolution. In fact the term is “Evolutionary Biology” when describing the life processes involved with evolution not "biological evolution" and I quite frankly I don’t give a hoot who the hell says it so you can quit the name dropping game already. It’s a simple matter of definition and grammar really. They call it “The Theory of Evolution” not the theory of biological evolution after all.
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my goodness - why so defensive? Sheesh! So you learned some new terms in standard use by major scientific organizations - that's a good thing, isn't it?
And I think I'll take the National Science Foundation, the National Science Teachers' Association, and the National Academy of Science's word about whether or not "biological evolution" and "chemical evolution" are valid terms or not - not your word (or talk origins' word, altho they use it, too). And biological evolution IS related to chemical evolution, as you'll see if you do some reading on the subject - I never "changed my tune" on that. The defensiveness of many evolutionists continues to amaze me. Why are they so worried?
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Doctors used to rip out tonsils wholesale because they thought they were useless evolutionary leftovers. They did NOT know enough at that point to know that they were very valuable tools in the fight against infection. You cannot assert with any intellectual integrity that moving something around in the human eye would be a better design without testing it! The eye is incredibly complex, with interrelated parts. If you move things around, it's very likely that other things will be affected.
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Rian being used to your petty word games and attempts to score points by throwing out completely irrelevant technicalities is the only thing Im reacting to. It has nothing to do with evolution. Im amused however that you would rather get into a tit for tat discussion irrelevant to the many valid points we have been making rather then address those points. Not surprised though.
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Since you won't answer my points, I guess I'll just have to ask readers of this thread to judge for themselves who uses name calling and who is discussing facts.
You won't even admit that I was right about "chemical evolution" and "biological evolution" being valid terms used by the National Science Foundation, the National Science Teachers' Association, and the National Academy of Science? And what have I not addressed? YOU have not addressed that I was right about those terms! Come on, IRex, this is an interesting topic - let's learn! There's no shame in admitting you don't know everything
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I would be happy to get into a petty tit for tat meaningless contest about how I was in fact quite right with everything I said from the start but first youll have to admit its simply your way of avoiding the real issues I bring up which you know you have no response for. After you...
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I'm sorry, I can't admit something that I don't think is true. And I don't avoid things - my post count should be a good witness to that!
Seriously, though, I've never avoided anything that anyone has asked me about. I guess you just think I'm avoiding if I don't agree with you - that's the only thing I can figure out Am I right about those terms being in use, or do you think that is not true? If you think it is true, will you say it? If not, why not?
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Although this is a great example of diversion tactics in action. A tactic I have seen from other creationists and that you are quite expert at. Shall I continue to play the dupe so people can see how natural "Debate Evolution" works?
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What is wrong with admitting that you were wrong about those terms?
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